On 12/2/05, Ted Winslow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Capital" is our creation; we (including "capitalists") are not its
> creation.

this is a false dichotomy. Capitalism is both "our" creation and a
creator of our consciousness. To Marx, people create history, though
not exactly as they please. What limits their ability to create
history is the pre-existing social structure (along with nature). That
social structure was the creation of people in the past. These people
were also constrained, by the (different) social structure inherited
from their past (along with nature).

It's a chicken/egg process, with people making social structures (or
reproducing old ones) and social structures deeply affecting our
consciousness of them and limiting our actions and the effects of our
actions. People make society, while society makes people.

--
Jim Devine
"Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own way and let
people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.

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