Jim Devine wrote:

On 12/2/05, Ted Winslow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Capital" is our creation; we (including "capitalists") are not its
creation.

this is a false dichotomy. Capitalism is both "our" creation and a
creator of our consciousness. To Marx, people create history, though
not exactly as they please. What limits their ability to create
history is the pre-existing social structure (along with nature). That
social structure was the creation of people in the past. These people
were also constrained, by the (different) social structure inherited
from their past (along with nature).

It's a chicken/egg process, with people making social structures (or
reproducing old ones) and social structures deeply affecting our
consciousness of them and limiting our actions and the effects of our
actions. People make society, while society makes people.

We are not its creation in the sense that "it" isn't an "subject" able in this sense to "create" anything. "Fetishism" mistakenly ascribes agency to what is in fact a product of human agency.

The same ontological point is made about "capital" as means of production.

“accumulation is nothing but the amassing of the productive powers of social labour, so that the accumulation of the skill and knowledge (scientific power) of the workers themselves is the chief form of accumulation, and infinitely more important than the accumulation - which goes hand in hand with it and merely represents it - of the existing objective conditions of this accumulated activity. These objective conditions are only nominally accumulated and must be constantly produced anew and consumed anew.” (Marx 1971, pp. 266-7)

He opposes this “idealism” to “the crude, material fetishism into which the Ricardian theory develops in the writings ‘of this incredible cobbler’, McCulloch” and to the mistaken interpretations of his own “materialism.”

"The whole objective world, the 'world of commodities', vanishes here as a mere aspect, as the merely passing activity, constantly performed anew, of socially producing men. Compare this 'idealism' with the crude, material fetishism into which the Ricardian theory develops in the writings 'of this incredible cobbler', McCulloch, where not only the difference between man and animal disappears but even the difference between a living organism and an inanimate object. And then let them say that as against the lofty idealism of bourgeois political economy, the proletarian opposition has been preaching a crude materialism directed exclusively towards the satisfaction of coarse appetites." (Marx 1971, p. 267)

"Nature builds no machines, no locomotives, railways, electric telegraphs, self-acting mules etc. These are products of human industry; natural material transformed into organs of the human will over nature, or of human participation in nature. They are organs of the human brain, created by the human hand; the power of knowledge, objectified. The development of fixed capital indicates to what degree general social knowledge has become a direct force of production, and to what degree, hence, the conditions of the process of social life itself have come under the control of the general intellect and been transformed in accordance with it. To what degree the powers of social production have been produced, not only in the form of knowledge, but also as immediate organs of social practice, of the real life process." (Marx 1973, pp. 705-6)

Ted


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