s.artesian wrote:

This is really not an issue of
free and equal access to
resources becoming socially
inefficient... the very posing
of the issue in these terms
assumes atomized private property
holders competing for maximized,
mutually exclusive, use of
the "commons" resource-- in
short the utlimate capitalist
myth of entrepreneurs, only this
time, entrepreneurs gone wild,
where greed is good, and everyday
in everyway is the war of all
against all.  Good morning, Mr.
Hobbes.

I was responding to Jim's remarks on market failure and about how the
economists (not PEN-L economists, but conventional economists) view
the "tragedy of the commons."  You're right about the premises
involved.  It's -- as Michael Lebowitz calls it -- the political
economy of capital.  Not the political economy of labor.  It's
one-sided.  All that.

Jim Devine wrote:

Private ownership rights can be
duly stipulated -- always?

"Can" doesn't mean "will."

Obviously, the notion of "failure" of a given social structure or
institution must presuppose that such structure or institution is in
place or, at least, possible.  If markets (private ownership rights)
are impossible, if they can't exist, then they can't fail.

The idea of failure of a social structure or institution is that,
under some conditions, social inefficiency (waste -- ultimate waste of
human life) flows as a necessary consequence of such structure or
institution.

And we cannot say that just because a perfectly healthy human being is
an abstraction, the medical concept of illness is nonsensical or
useless or arbitrary...

this is merely a matter of definition
of the term "market failure."
Definitions are, by their very nature,
conventional.

Conventional doesn't mean arbitrary.  There are degrees of social
objectivity.  You didn't say you were proposing a better (personal)
definition of market failure.  You said that the tragedy of the
commons was a well-known market failure among "neoclassicals," that
they should respond to it, that it was in their official list, etc.

All I'm saying is that you have it wrong.  For the economists, the
tragedy of the commons is not a market failure.  So they don't see the
need to respond to it.  Social conventions (definitions, concepts,
etc.) have some semantic plasticity, but I just can't see how you can
turn the tragedy of the commons into a "neoclassical" market failure.

The other remarks I made weren't meant as imputations.  I was just
trying to clarify things.

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