Try explaining the difference between the Klan and Kissinger to the
victims of  capital's assaults in Chile, Argentina, El Salvador, Mexico,
Indonesia, Timor, Cambodia, Viet Nam, Bolivia, South Africa, Angola-

let me know how you make out.

The point being free speech is, like all freedoms, rights, etc., a
commercial relationship, a trade, a function of power.  There are no
neutrals staring down, refereeing from on high.


----- Original Message -----
From: "raghu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] on Israel lobby in the US and foreign policy


> On 9/15/07, Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Bill Lear and Michael Perelman had good answers. I just want to add
> > one point (or rather, restate my original point): in US during the
> > present era, i.e., what I was talking about, the attacks on Walt,
etc.
> > as being "anti-Semitic," "like Nazis," and so forth is currently
part
> > of the _dominant political culture_. Invite Walt (or whomever) to
> > speak and there's a vast political infrastructure already there to
> > launch the shit-storm against him. The organized Likudnik knee is
> > ready to jerk.
> >
> > On the other hand, if a war criminal like Kissinger, a
silly-but-scary
> > publicity hound like Coulter, or a racist like Murray is invited,
the
> > infrastructure isn't there. In most places around the US, there will
> > be no response at all (except liberals and lefties muttering
> > "how can it get worse?") In a few places (Austin, Madison, Berkeley,
> > and a handful of others, the sum of which right-wing types
hypostatize
> > into some sort of cabal), the local lefties will try to mobilize to
> > pass out leaflets and paint up some signs, but it will take energy
> > away from their more long-term political work. (Besides, they're too
> > scattered and fighting amongst themselves.)
>
>
> Jim,
> But this is purely a matter of opinion. You believe that the
> establishment is against you and will act in force to silence Walt or
> Sheehan or whoever but not Kissinger or Murray. To a more neutral
> observer both groups seem like polarizing figures. Both groups attract
> a bunch of flag waving protestors, equally disorganized, and
> ultimately equally ineffective. You see the hand of the establishment
> behind one group and not the other but that's purely a matter of
> opinion. Someone on the other side would have a very different
> interpretation.
>
> Generally I think everyone would agree that free speech cannot exist
> without some boundaries for civilized conduct. The argument merely
> seems to be about where to draw the line. Murray, Coulter and
> Kissinger are in. The klan is out. An anti-Israel book should not be
> automatically out, but holocaust denial propaganda probably should be.
>
> As far as the press is concerned, it seems to me they have neither a
> consistent liberal bias not a conservative bias (except for Fox of
> course). They merely have a commercial bias pandering to whatever is
> fashionable at a given time. They supported Bush when he had 90%
> approval. Ditched him when he became unpopular. True fair weather
> friends. Or so it seems to me.
>
> -raghu.
>

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