Greetings Economists, On Oct 28, 2007, at 3:01 PM, Sabri Oncu wrote:
You see, there is a wide world out there, and it goes way beyond the US.
Doyle; That may be but in a system of ethnic oppression do you speak of a Kurd who is a surgeon as a good Kurd. The bad Kurds are the mechanics, service workers, etc., and terrorists? Apartheid in South Africa comes from American Apartheid in the U.S. South. And English colonial empire global tactics. The Ottoman empire was an empire whose experience with empire preceded U.S. ambitions it is true. but my view of the wide world is more what I see in Chinese history than I see in Turkish history. That said I do not dismiss Turkish history, nor the Turkish left which is quite a bit more strong than the U.S. left. What I think though is class matters, that nothing about being a smart mathematician can prove anything in class society except class matters. While Charles is correct that there is no 'race' there is historical groups who claims their exception in the face of class. So whites in the U.S. see themselves often enough as 'elite'. This twists things, makes black white, turns things upside down. Proves people are good who are traitors. So that the first thing I think is what sort of struggle is any good mathematician willing to take on. What unity do they have with the real working class. What sort of international struggle that matters? I do not care if they are Turkish Negros who have math phd's as much as I care that a Turkish working class person is willing to unite with the international working class in struggle. For there will be Turkish Negro mathematicians who do. And they are my brothers. Or sisters as the case may be. And there will self deluded U.S. whites who join the marines for building democracy in Iraq. thanks, Doyle Saylor
