Hi Stephane,
Thanks for the reply.
I understand that uncore events are system wide and that the cpu number being
passed is done to allow the kernel to identify which package should be used for
an uncore event. Just as a note, I am running on a Redhat kernel which
includes backported uncore support. In this kernel there are no
/sys/device/uncore_xxx/cpumask files, but uncore counters work just fine.
Apparently these files were added after the initial uncore logic was put in.
Papi provides a way to set a cpu number to be used for all events in an event
set. In order to use it a papi application must call PAPI_set_opt to attach a
cpu to the event set. When using this interface however, it is only possible
to count events on one uncore package at a time. This is because the attached
cpu is used for all events in an event set and papi only allows one event set
per component to be active at any given time.
If the cpu can be specified as a mask for uncore events, it allows the user to
count uncore events on multiple packages at the same time. I hope this
explains why converting from the current way papi sets a cpu number (API call)
to the new approach (event mask) is worthwhile. The other advantage of using
an event mask to specify the core number is that it automatically extends to
all existing papi applications the ability to use uncore events without having
to change a single line of code in any of them. Papi also has a couple of
other cases where moving an event attributes scope from the event set to an
event would be desirable.
So the question is really about the best way to extend the set of supported
event masks to include some that contain information to be processed by papi.
It is true that this could be done without making changes to libpfm4 but it is
my belief that doing so would make the papi code much more complicated and one
of them (adding new event string delimiters) may even introduce problems in
existing papi applications.
So it was my feeling that if libpfm4 could be enhanced to provide an additional
interface, it would make this much easier to handle in papi. One of my
requirements for this change was that all existing calls to libpfm4 must
continue to work exactly as they already do. Did not want to have any adverse
impact on any other possible users of libpfm4. But I also feel that if there
is something libpfm4 can do to help papi evolve into a better product, it is
reasonable to modify libpfm4 (as long as it does not break any existing libpfm4
features).
I implemented the new interface I had in mind and changed the papi uncore
component to use it. When I got it working, it provided what I hoped it would.
An unchanged existing papi application (papi_command_line) was able to use
uncore events and count events on multiple packages at the same time.
Furthermore the core component in papi still uses the old interface to libpfm4
and it also still works correctly.
This implementation makes fairly small changes in both libpfm4 and papi to make
this work. Since all existing interfaces in libpfm4 were preserved, I do not
see any risk to libfpm4.
Phil’s response to your message below gave a pretty good overview of what the
changes did. I hope that my explanations above help you to understand why I
choose to take this approach.
I am willing to go back and do it a different way if you are not happy with
these changes. But I still feel this is the best solution and would like you
to understand my thought process and the changes before making that choice. So
if you have any more questions with the approach or the code, I will be happy
to answer them.
Thanks again for your time.
Gary
From: Stephane Eranian [mailto:eran...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:00 AM
To: Gary Mohr
Cc: perfmon2-devel
Subject: Re: [perfmon2] FW: Proposed enhancement to libpfm4.
Gary,
I am trying to understand the underpinning here. You are saying there is no way
to pass a CPU to the PAPI call
to pin an uncore event to a particular socket.
First, uncore events are system-wide only events. This is why you need to pass
a CPU number (as a substitute
for a socket number). Second, the kernel always exports a list of CPUs to
monitor for each uncore PMU. It is
located in /sys/device/uncore_xxx/cpumask.
I don't really like the libpfm4 changes you are proposing. They do not make
sense to me because you are trying
to work around a limitation of PAPI by modifying libpfm4.
My understanding is that PAPI is not designed to handle system-wide events.
System-wide events require a CPU
number. So why not extend PAPI to handle this instead so it would work with or
without libpfm4? I understand it
would break existing tools, but then those tools are not ready to cope with CPU
or socket-level measurements, maybe.
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Gary Mohr
<gary.m...@bull.com<mailto:gary.m...@bull.com>> wrote:
Also send this to the perfmon mailing list.
From: Gary Mohr
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 4:56 PM
To: Stephane Eranian
Cc: Vince Weaver; Philip Mucci; Heike McCraw; Michel Brown
Subject: Proposed enhancement to libpfm4.
Hi Stephane,
There has been quite a bit of discussion in the PAPI community lately regarding
ways to make the PAPI uncore component useful to existing PAPI applications.
A short description of the problem:
The kernel requires a cpu number to be provided on the open when setting up to
count uncore events (used by kernel to pick the package/socket to count).
PAPI currently provides a way to set a cpu number but it requires a call to
PAPI_set_opt which existing papi applications that are currently used with core
events almost never use.
This means that existing PAPI applications cannot use uncore events without
coding changes.
Possible solution:
Change the uncore event string to include information to specify the core
number that should pass to the kernel for this event.
PAPI applications normally get the event to use from a user or config file, so
they would have access to uncore events if the user just adds a little extra
information to the event string.
Two approaches were considered:
1 -- The event name could be extended to include a package component. This
would result in the event names being replicated once for each package on the
system.
2 -- A new event mask could be added to provide the number of the core which
should be passed to the kernel for the event.
Since the SNBEP system already has 315 uncore events, replicating them for each
package could lead to over 1200 different event names. The current list output
for uncore events on this system produces 6,000+ lines of output. Replicating
each event could drive that to about 24,000 lines of output. This makes the
first approach less than desirable.
A new mask for the uncore events could be added to identify which core number
should be passed to the kernel. But this information is needed by PAPI and
does not end up in the attribute structure built by libpfm4 and passed to the
kernel by PAPI. This means that we would be introducing a mask that should be
processed by PAPI and not libpfm4. The new mask approach would have no effect
on the number of events and little or no effect on the list output. So it
seemed to be the preferred approach.
In addition during these discussions, it was felt that a small number of other
PAPI attributes could also be handled with PAPI specific event masks rather
than through independent API calls (as is required today). This encouraged
looking for a general solution.
Two different approaches for adding a mask have been considered:
1 -- Modify PAPI to prescan the event strings to remove and process the new
mask.
2 – Enhance libpfm4 to allow event strings which contain masks it does know
about.
The first approach probably can be done but there is some concern that if PAPI
prescreens and removes some of the event masks, it may remove masks that would
have been meaningful to libpfm4. This would be undesirable but could be
avoided with careful PAPI mask names.
The idea behind the second approach is to add a feature to libpfm4 which would
allow PAPI to pass an event string which contains some masks which libpfm4 may
not understand. When this is done, libpfm4 would be able to return a table to
the caller which contains the events libpfm4 did not recognize. When using
this new feature, libpfm4 would not consider an unknown mask as an error. It
would just return unprocessed masks to the caller and let the caller decide if
those masks were valid. This provides PAPI with an easy way to extend the set
of event masks an application can use. Of course when this new feature is not
being used, libpfm4 would continue to behave exactly as it has in the past.
I spent some time adding this feature to libpfm4 and now have it working. The
end result is that I can now use papi_command_line to count uncore events
without any changes to the application.
A high level summary of what I did to libpfm4:
I created two new libpfm4 functions which provide the same service as two
existing functions but accept an additional calling argument. The additional
calling argument is a pointer to a table where libpfm4 can store any
unprocessed masks. The new functions are pfm_find_event_mask and
pfm_get_os_event_encoding_mask. The current function names also still exist
and just call the new functions passing a NULL pointer for the unprocessed
masks table. Then the code in these new functions was changed to handle the
case where it finds an unrecognized mask so it now behaves as described above.
Attached you will find a patch file that contains the libpfm4 changes that I
made (code is always more interesting than descriptions).
I am hoping to persuade you that this code is worth putting into libpfm4 but in
either case, I am interested in your views on the topic.
There are still a few things in these patches that I think should be changed to
make it more robust but if you are in agreement with this approach, I will
gladly adjust it to meet expectations.
I hope I did not bore you too much with details but I thought some of the
background to explain why something in this area is needed was important.
Thanks
Gary
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