Dan Kogai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>On 2002.02.15, at 06:36, Markus Kuhn wrote:
>> Markus
>> (XFree86 -misc-fixed-* font maintainer)
>
>   Oh yes here comes Mr. Font!
>
>> You will find that many of the -misc-fixed-*-iso10646-1 fonts have
>> better coverage than Unifont. In particular, the fonts 6x13, 8x13, 9x15,
>> 9x18, 10x20 cover the MES-3 repertoire of Unicode 3.0 completely, which
>> covers all IPA glyphs.

You may well have drawn them in those cell sizes - but X font names
would be easier to experiment with.

>>Unifont doesn't and it's combining characters
>> won't work with xterm either, which is particularly important for IPA.

When working with western scripts it is common to use bold and italic
to make things stand out. Now I can imagine that italic/oblique of
asian characters may not make sense - but how do users of such scripts
make the "standout" distinction - colour?

Be that as it may - to present western text in the normal manner it would
be useful to be able to rely on there being a bold (screen) and to a lesser
extent an italic (print) version of a particular font.

I would like to make this "easy" (e.g. in perl/Tk's Text widget),
so user says I want 14-point font - I want there to be a (set of) font(s)
for normal/bold/italic - now in certain spots in the codepoint space those
will be pointing at same X font - as there is no alternative.
What is a pain is if user then changes to 16-point font which sub-ranges
exist tend to change. So a lot of tedious probing of fonts occurs
and things get horribly slow.

This is what TrueType fonts score - if you can find one that looks reasonable
at typical size and has the right repertoire you "know" that all sizes will
_exist_ - they may look naff if user chooses 11pt or some odd size - but
if they do they will not do that.

Right now I think Unicode fonts are about where ASCII fonts were in early '80s
- okay for "tty mode" but seriously lacking for anything that approaches
modern "Word Processing".


>The problem is definitely font.
>   I wonder if there are free, scalable 'reference font' that contains
>all major languages.  So far, -misc-fixed-*-iso10646-1 seems the only
>one that comes close to that but it is not scalable.  MS Arial comes
>close too but you need Win(2k|XP).  Hiragino on MacOS X is beautiful but
>missing too many non-Japanese fonts to be a reference (besides it is not
>free).
>   I want for example
>
>* Reference Serif Font  (Times Unicode?)

I prefer that style for printed matter (high resolution), but dislike
them for typical screen resolutions.

>* Reference Serif Font  (Helvetica Unicode?)

I like those on screen - except for the fact that I (Capital I)
and l (lowercase L) tend to look identical. Helvetica/Arial/Lucida
all suffer the same.

>* Reference Fixed Width (Misc TT?  Courier Unicode? Monaco Unicode?)

Fixed width -c- (and/or monospaced -m- ) makes life easy for editors.
But don't look very natural.

>
>   that are free and open.  I know both Apple and MS have enough to make
>such fonts.  I wonder why they don't contribute in this simple way (One
>of the reasons that makes me doubt how serious they are about
>Unicode/ISO10646)....

Adobe could do it as well. What Unicode fonts need is the equivalent of
their Helvetica/Time/Courier Medium/Bold Roman/Italic 12-font set
of PostScript-1 printers.

SIL (www.sil.org) also have a reasonable starting point.

>
>Dan the Man with Too Many *.(ttf|ttc|otf|bdf) to browse
--
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