I think we can mostly get there with RELOAD, but the implementations are still pretty early. On Sep 9, 2013 6:53 AM, "Hannes Tschofenig" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Linus, > > thanks for the comments. > > I have indeed skipped that topic. I will have to read into the Mumble > project to see what security and privacy guarantees it provides. > > My current conclusion from using VoIP/IM systems without using Tor is that > you cannot really protect against collecting this transaction data (i.e., > you have to at least trust the two VSPs, our own and then the VSP of your > communication partner). While you can influence routing of the data traffic > to a certain extend it does not work too well when your VSP is working > against you. > > With IM you could at least set up your own server (e.g., by using an XMPP > server) but with VoIP that's more complicated because nobody else will > accepted your connection attempts (as explained in the interconnection part > of my write-up). > > I will come back to you on that issue. > > Ciao > Hannes > > > On 09.09.2013 14:31, Linus Nordberg wrote: > >> Hannes Tschofenig<hannes.tschofenig@**gmx.net <[email protected]>> >> wrote >> Mon, 09 Sep 2013 11:26:39 +0300: >> >> | >> http://www.tschofenig.priv.at/**wp/?p=997<http://www.tschofenig.priv.at/wp/?p=997> >> | >> | It contains a number of recommendations, which are addressed to VoIP >> | providers and vendors but have to be enforced by data protection >> | authorities. >> | >> | The recommendations unfortunately highlight some challenges... >> >> Indeed. And still, I miss any mention on protection against collecting >> data about who's talking to who. >> >> Without claiming any expertise at all in this area, the closest thing to >> something implementing this that I've heard of is Mumble over >> Tor. Mumble [0] is not standardised AFAICT. The Guardian Project wrote >> [1] about this earlier this year. Some people seem to use it [2]. >> >> [0] >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Mumble_%28software%29<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumble_%28software%29> >> [1] https://trac.torproject.org/**projects/tor/wiki/doc/** >> TorifyHOWTO/Mumble<https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorifyHOWTO/Mumble> >> [2] https://guardianproject.info/**2013/01/31/anonymous-cb-radio-** >> with-mumble-and-tor/<https://guardianproject.info/2013/01/31/anonymous-cb-radio-with-mumble-and-tor/> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> perpass mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/perpass<https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/perpass> >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > perpass mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/perpass<https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/perpass> >
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