Tony, Phill, (and everyone else) Please - this and Tony's last mail are inappropriate for this list and probably any IETF list.
Please don't continue it further. Thanks, Stephen. (As list moderator) On 10/15/2013 05:21 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Tony Rutkowski > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Pardon the intervention, but when you scrape >> some traitor's stolen material from Washington's >> tabloid press as your use case, it is embarking far >> into WTF territory. >> > > One problem is that the traitor in question was employed by the NSA and was > able to operate undetected for several years. > > We have seen the greatest breach of internal security in NSA history and > nobody has been held accountable at a senior level. > > > Organizations that do not hold themselves accountable get held accountable > through external means. In this case pervasive unaccountable surveillance > is going to be met with pervasive unaccountable encryption. > > Of all the evils in the world, where does snuffing out democracies in > Chile, Iran, Brazil, Greece and the rest stand next to terrorism? Pinochet > alone murdered more people than all the terrorists of the 20th century did. > Where does starting an illegal war that causes a half million deaths stand? > > > This is an international organization. > > Suggesting that we leave such matters to those in authority without > specifying which authorities makes a large set of assumptions that are > probably more apparent to those of us who are not US citizens. > > You might think it improper for someone like me to question the decisions > of your government. I think it rather presumptuous for US citizens to > assume that control of the Internet should lie exclusively with their > government because none of the rest could ever be trusted. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > perpass mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/perpass > _______________________________________________ perpass mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/perpass
