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Actually I think that sometimes a pheromone for one species will attract another, an unintended or non-target species. Sometimes the chemical degrades and it attracts other species; sometimes non-degraded it attracts totally different, non-related species. Of course, sometimes this attraction was not considered at the time of the pheromone manufacture and testing. Lou //snip// Pheromones are species specific. A pheromone for one species of moth will NOT attract other moths, as you have stated: "It attracts many different moths, not just clothes, webbing or casemaking moths." The pheromone for webbing clothes moths does NOT attract case-making clothes moths or any other species of moth for that matter. // -- Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail Louis N. Sorkin, B.C.E. Entomology Section Division of Invertebrate Zoology American Museum of Natural History Central Park West at 79th St. New York, NY 10024-5192 phone: 212-769-5613 fax: 212-769-5277 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The New York Entomological Society, Inc. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.nyentsoc.org Online journal from 2001 forward www.BioOne.org > Bill and Tom, > Thanks for this interesting and informative exchange. Although my > experience supports Tom's point of view, I very much appreciate Bill > presenting his experiences and opinions and continuing to engage in the > conversation. This is just the type of discussion that makes the dislist > format so valuable in spreading information and addressing problems. > Rick > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kerschner > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [pestlist] bugs > > > I have to agree with Tom on the importance and effectiveness of using > pest specific pheromone baited traps to identify and control insect > infestations. Buy using the traps as monitors, we discovered a case > making moth infestation in our 5000 sq ft large artifact storage > building in the spring of 2007. By increasing the number of traps from 3 > to 10 to better cover the storage space and counting trapped moths once > a week, we were able to indentify which 5 carriages harbored the > insects. We began a program of weekly vacuuming and watched the > population in the traps decrease over the summer. We froze three of the > smaller sleighs in a reefer truck over the winter. This spring, > pheromone baited traps and careful inspection of the vehicles showed > that the infestation was pretty well limited to the two larger sleighs > that had not been frozen, and it was significantly decreased from last > year. We continue to vacuum these two vehicles, have covered them with > plastic sheeting, and are working to move them to a separate storage > area. We continue to monitor the rest of the storage and are not seeing > a spread of the infestation to other artifacts. We did use some sticky > traps that were not baited quite close to the infested vehicles, and > they did not catch many moths at all. From this experience, I believe > that pheromone bait was critical in helping us manage this case making > moth infestation. > > Rick > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 4:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [pestlist] bugs > > > Bill - > > You make some good points; no one would want to put 40+ different kinds > of species specific pheromone traps in a museum collection storage area. > It is simply too expensive and we don't have traps available for every > kind of insect pest, which may invade collections. > > The only ones currently available with a pheromone specific for the > kinds of pests we deal with, are those for certain fabric pests, i.e. > animal protein eating pests, such as webbing clothes moths and certain > carpet beetles. There are also several available for the cigarette > beetle, which attacks herbarium collections, morturary masks, corn husk > dolls, papier mache puppets, etc. I wish there were one available for > Anobium punctatum, an important pest in libraries and certain structural > wood situations, but there is none currently available. In these kinds > of situations, pheromone monitoring can be very beneficial in locating > the source of infestations. Once the source is known, other means can > be used for disinfestation, such as anoxic gases, freezing, vacuuming, > and bagging. > > Tom Parker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 4:01 pm > Subject: Re: [pestlist] bugs > > > Tom, > > Types of museum infestations can amount to many depending on the > collections mediums, national and international contact. Are you > suggesting 40+ or so different pheromone traps to be up to speed as they > are species specific, though not all developed yet. Or has The Museum > Trap been developed for all Art pest across the board? If you > considering placing specific species traps you probably already suspect > infestation and that is the time to trace the source. I don't need 10, > 20 or 40 insects in a trap to know there is a problem. Monitoring the > Art and insect waste is much more effective than waiting for 1 to 4 > times a year for pheromone traps to do there specific job. > > Pheromone is great for agriculture and commercial applications > where standards need to be complied but for Art application I suggest > not. At best pheromone works 120 days a year during mating seasons. > Species specific make the process even more challenging, knowing when > mating takes place for 40 or so insects. Monitoring the Art is time > better spent than toying with specie specific traps. Yes, I am not up to > your speed by choice. > > Bill > ACI > > In a message dated 8/8/2008 8:00:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Bill - > > Perhaps you should contact Insects Limited in the Indianapolis, > the leader in pheromone research, production, and implementation in many > venues. Perhaps you should get "up to speed" with your pheromone > information. Pheromones are species specific. A pheromone for one > species of moth will NOT attract other moths, as you have stated: "It > attracts many different moths, not just clothes, webbing or casemaking > moths." The pheromone for webbing clothes moths does NOT attract > case-making clothes moths or any other species of moth for that matter. > > You are correct in stating pheromone traps should be used as a > monitoring approach, not a control approach. This is why others have > indicated a variety of techniques should be used for control once an > infestation has been discovered. Pheromone traps are very helpful in > determining the origin of an infestation so further investigation can > pinpoint the source of the infestation and then implement sanitation and > control measures. > > Tom Parker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 4:45 pm > Subject: [pestlist] bugs > > > > Thank you to all, pointing out my mistake; "pheromone is not > good for you". As I wrote below There are precautions however as stated > on the labels. > > Pheromone traps should never be used unless you intentionally > want to increase your insect population. > Baited traps have the ability to pull from the outside. Should > you touch the traps pheromone is not good for you. > > Bill, > ACI > > Pheromone was developed to monitor food warehouses in the > 1950's for, India Meal moth, Mediterranean Flour moth, Raisin moth, > Tobacco moth, Angounois Grain moth. It was later found to work with > Clothes moth and Webbing moth as well as others. A good reason why I am > against there use related to Art. It attracts many different moths not > just clothes, webbing or casemaking moths. > One person suggested the traps do not pull very far. I am > not sure how far and research has been difficult to find. But if > pheromone traps were to be placed by a door to a hallway leading to a > cafeteria, loading dock or other infested areas you can pull from > outside the storage area. > Pheromone works during matting maybe once a year to 4 times > a year depending how long the infestation has been indoors. It works on > the males flying around looking for females that are most likely > stationary, on a food source. One research reported traps collected > about 45% of the males in a controlled room. That still left plenty of > males to continue the cycle. Before the males reach the traps they may > have already visited the females. One study suggested there's > communication between the male and female during the mating cycle. > Pheromone traps are just to monitor as plain sticky traps > are. I prefer plain as it give me a better feel in locating an > infestation. If a trap is pulling from other areas it adds confusion in > localizing the activity. > Should you touch the pheromone sticky part of the trap you > can transfer pheromone to handled objects, if not washed off correctly. > Pheromone traps are a monitoring device not a treatment. > > Once again I apologize for my mistake. I answered the > e-mail as I was leaving for my mapping, the beginning of my radiation > treatments. 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