I did some quick tests (with a different example) on a single KNL node and a
single Haswell node, both using 4 processes. Check below for the results about
MatMult. And the total running time on KNL is a bit more than two times of that
on Haswell. So I think the results Justin got with SNE ex48 are reasonable,
considering the fact that KNL cores are much less powerful than Haswell cores,
as Richard mentioned.
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Event Count Time (sec) Flops
--- Global --- --- Stage --- Total
Max Ratio Max Ratio Max Ratio Mess Avg len Reduct
%T %F %M %L %R %T %F %M %L %R Mflop/s
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MatMult(KNL) 1609 1.0 1.4044e+02 1.0 6.41e+10 1.0 1.3e+04 3.3e+04
0.0e+00 18 19 91 93 0 18 19 91 93 0 1826
MatMult(Haswell) 1609 1.0 4.4927e+01 1.0 6.41e+10 1.0 1.3e+04 3.3e+04
0.0e+00 18 19 91 93 0 18 19 91 93 0 5708
Hong(Mr.)
On Apr 4, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Matthew Knepley
<knep...@gmail.com<mailto:knep...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Justin Chang
<jychan...@gmail.com<mailto:jychan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks everyone for the helpful advice. So I tried all the suggestions
including using libsci. The performance did not improve for my particular runs,
which I think suggests the problem parameters chosen for my tests (SNES ex48)
are not optimal for KNL. Does anyone have example test runs I could reproduce
that compare the performance between KNL and Haswell/Ivybridge/etc?
Lets try to see what is going on with your existing data first.
First, I think that main thing is to make sure we are using MCDRAM. Everything
else in KNL
is window dressing (IMHO). All we have to look at is something like MAXPY. You
can get the
bandwidth estimate from the flop rate and problem size (I think), and we can at
least get
bandwidth ratios between Haswell and KNL with that number.
Matt
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:06 PM Richard Mills
<richardtmi...@gmail.com<mailto:richardtmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes, one should rely on MKL (or Cray LibSci, if using the Cray toolchain) on
Cori. But I'm guessing that this will make no noticeable difference for what
Justin is doing.
--Richard
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 12:57 PM, murat keçeli
<kec...@gmail.com<mailto:kec...@gmail.com>> wrote:
How about replacing --download-fblaslapack with vendor specific BLAS/LAPACK?
Murat
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Richard Mills
<richardtmi...@gmail.com<mailto:richardtmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Zhang, Hong
<hongzh...@anl.gov<mailto:hongzh...@anl.gov>> wrote:
On Apr 3, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Justin Chang
<jychan...@gmail.com<mailto:jychan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Richard,
This is what my job script looks like:
#!/bin/bash
#SBATCH -N 16
#SBATCH -C knl,quad,flat
#SBATCH -p regular
#SBATCH -J knlflat1024
#SBATCH -L SCRATCH
#SBATCH -o knlflat1024.o%j
#SBATCH --mail-type=ALL
#SBATCH --mail-user=jychan...@gmail.com<mailto:jychan...@gmail.com>
#SBATCH -t 00:20:00
#run the application:
cd $SCRATCH/Icesheet
sbcast --compress=lz4 ./ex48cori /tmp/ex48cori
srun -n 1024 -c 4 --cpu_bind=cores numactl -p 1 /tmp/ex48cori -M 128 -N 128 -P
16 -thi_mat_type baij -pc_type mg -mg_coarse_pc_type gamg -da_refine 1
Maybe it is a typo. It should be numactl -m 1.
"-p 1" will also work. "-p" means to "prefer" NUMA node 1 (the MCDRAM),
whereas "-m" means to use only NUMA node 1. In the former case, MCDRAM will be
used for allocations until the available memory there has been exhausted, and
then things will spill over into the DRAM. One would think that "-m" would be
better for doing performance studies, but on systems where the nodes have swap
space enabled, you can get terrible performance if your code's working set
exceeds the size of the MCDRAM, as the system will obediently obey your wishes
to not use the DRAM and go straight to the swap disk! I assume the Cori nodes
don't have swap space, though I could be wrong.
According to the NERSC info pages, they say to add the "numactl" if using flat
mode. Previously I tried cache mode but the performance seems to be unaffected.
Using cache mode should give similar performance as using flat mode with the
numactl option. But both approaches should be significant faster than using
flat mode without the numactl option. I usually see over 3X speedup. You can
also do such comparison to see if the high-bandwidth memory is working properly.
I also comparerd 256 haswell nodes vs 256 KNL nodes and haswell is nearly 4-5x
faster. Though I suspect this drastic change has much to do with the initial
coarse grid size now being extremely small.
I think you may be right about why you see such a big difference. The KNL
nodes need enough work to be able to use the SIMD lanes effectively. Also, if
your problem gets small enough, then it's going to be able to fit in the
Haswell's L3 cache. Although KNL has MCDRAM and this delivers *a lot* more
memory bandwidth than the DDR4 memory, it will deliver a lot less bandwidth
than the Haswell's L3.
I'll give the COPTFLAGS a try and see what happens
Make sure to use --with-memalign=64 for data alignment when configuring PETSc.
Ah, yes, I forgot that. Thanks for mentioning it, Hong!
The option -xMIC-AVX512 would improve the vectorization performance. But it may
cause problems for the MPIBAIJ format for some unknown reason. MPIAIJ should
work fine with this option.
Hmm. Try both, and, if you see worse performance with MPIBAIJ, let us know and
I'll try to figure this out.
--Richard
Hong (Mr.)
Thanks,
Justin
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Richard Mills
<richardtmi...@gmail.com<mailto:richardtmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Justin,
How is the MCDRAM (on-package "high-bandwidth memory") configured for your KNL
runs? And if it is in "flat" mode, what are you doing to ensure that you use
the MCDRAM? Doing this wrong seems to be one of the most common reasons for
unexpected poor performance on KNL.
I'm not that familiar with the environment on Cori, but I think that if you are
building for KNL, you should add "-xMIC-AVX512" to your compiler flags to
explicitly instruct the compiler to use the AVX512 instruction set. I usually
use something along the lines of
'COPTFLAGS=-g -O3 -fp-model fast -xMIC-AVX512'
(The "-g" just adds symbols, which make the output from performance profiling
tools much more useful.)
That said, I think that if you are comparing 1024 Haswell cores vs. 1024 KNL
cores (so double the number of Haswell nodes), I'm not surprised that the
simulations are almost twice as fast using the Haswell nodes. Keep in mind
that individual KNL cores are much less powerful than an individual Haswell
node. You are also using roughly twice the power footprint (dual socket
Haswell node should be roughly equivalent to a KNL node, I believe). How do
things look on when you compare equal nodes?
Cheers,
Richard
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Justin Chang
<jychan...@gmail.com<mailto:jychan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
On NERSC's Cori I have the following configure options for PETSc:
./configure --download-fblaslapack --with-cc=cc --with-clib-autodetect=0
--with-cxx=CC --with-cxxlib-autodetect=0 --with-debugging=0 --with-fc=ftn
--with-fortranlib-autodetect=0 --with-mpiexec=srun --with-64-bit-indices=1
COPTFLAGS=-O3 CXXOPTFLAGS=-O3 FOPTFLAGS=-O3 PETSC_ARCH=arch-cori-opt
Where I swapped out the default Intel programming environment with that of Cray
(e.g., 'module switch PrgEnv-intel/6.0.3 PrgEnv-cray/6.0.3'). I want to
document the performance difference between Cori's Haswell and KNL processors.
When I run a PETSc example like SNES ex48 on 1024 cores (32 Haswell and 16 KNL
nodes), the simulations are almost twice as fast on Haswell nodes. Which leads
me to suspect that I am not doing something right for KNL. Does anyone know
what are some "optimal" configure options for running PETSc on KNL?
Thanks,
Justin
--
What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their experiments is
infinitely more interesting than any results to which their experiments lead.
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