Hi On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 1:26 PM richard coleman <rcoleman.ascen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave, > > Ah, I guess the two of us have a different understanding of *desktop* mode. > In your, and apparently pgAdmin4's case, it's a locally running web server > with a couple of settings tweaked. In my, and perhaps many other people's, > understanding *desktop* mode is a program that you install on your > machine that contains it's own UI and *isn't* a server (even one that's > running on your local machine) that you access with your web browser as you > would google.com or facebook.com. Desktop mode is like pgAdmin3, > non-desktop (server) mode is like running apache locally that has had > phpPgAdmin installed. In pgAdmin4's case it's using python not php and the > application and web server come as a bundle. > pgAdmin 3 is what we'd call a native (desktop) application. pgAdmin 4 is *always* going to have a client-server model, as that's how it was designed and built from the ground up (which I believe Avin noted in the other thread). What we call desktop mode for pgAdmin 4 is some behavioural configuration options as you note, and the way the client/server are bundled together; whether in a single Qt application with the client and server effectively hidden from the user as we had with v1.x and v2.x, or with a server application and the users browser as we have now. > > But thanks for pointing me to that web page. > No problem. > > rik. > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 8:14 AM Dave Page <dp...@pgadmin.org> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 12:58 PM richard coleman < >> rcoleman.ascen...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dave, >>> >>> Thanks for helping to clear that up, I am sorry I misunderstood >>> Khushboo's response. As for running in *desktop mode*, I didn't think >>> that was possible for quite some time. I sure haven't been able to find >>> out how to pull that off. If you could explain, I would imagine I am not >>> the only one who would like that opportunity. >>> >> >> You are running in desktop mode, otherwise you would see the login page >> when you first connect (and you wouldn't get the master password prompt). >> See https://www.pgadmin.org/docs/pgadmin4/4.11/getting_started.html (and >> the relevant child pages on Server and Desktop deployment) >> >> Desktop vs. Server mode is not about the whether you access pgAdmin >> through a browser or not, but whether it's configured for running on a >> single user's desktop or on a web server that may be accessible to multiple >> users (or people who should not be using it at all; e.g. other people on >> the same LAN) >> >> >>> >>> rik. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 4:45 AM Dave Page <dp...@pgadmin.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 8:50 PM richard coleman < >>>> rcoleman.ascen...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> (sorry about the last missive - continued) >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 3:38 PM richard coleman < >>>>> rcoleman.ascen...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Darren, >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 3:03 PM Darren Duncan < >>>>>> dar...@darrenduncan.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you tried using more than one browser? >>>>>>> that's what I've taken to doing, I have a separate install of >>>>>>> Chromium just for pgAdmin4. I've even changed the browser command to >>>>>> >>>>>> "chromium-browser %URL% " so that it starts with the right browser. >>>>> >>>>> Although not all browsers are apparently equal. Back on 2019-06-19 >>>>> 04:10:13 Khushboo Vashi <khushboo(dot)vashi(at)enterprisedb(dot)com> >>>>> wrote in response to an issue I was having under Chromium; >>>>> >>>>>> "I would suggest, try a different browser as well as Chromium is not >>>>>> the >>>>>> supported browser for pgAdmin." >>>>> >>>>> Which suggests that there is *a supported browser* for pgAdmin4. >>>>> This begs the question, if there's only a *single* supported browser, >>>>> what exactly is the point of a web app? It's like web sites that only >>>>> worked correctly under IE6. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Don't mistake the phrasing there as an implication that there's only a >>>> single supported browser. Khushboo's first language is not English. >>>> >>>> We (the team at EDB, I can't speak for others) test on Chrome, Firefox, >>>> Safari, IE and Edge. For anyone using other browsers, the first step for us >>>> in diagnosing an issue is going to be to try to reproduce it on one of the >>>> browsers we test with. It's not feasible for us to test with everything >>>> that is out there. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Developing pgAdmin4 as a *web app*/*web server* thing might make >>>>> sense from a development standpoint, but personally I think it introduces >>>>> way more problems than it solves. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It certainly does cause some problems that we didn't have before, but >>>> it's proven itself to solve a lot more. >>>> >>>> There's also the fact that running over the web is exactly what many >>>> people want these days. I would guesstimate that we probably see something >>>> like 50% of users we interact with running in web mode, and 50% in desktop >>>> mode. Download-wise, the number of container pulls is far outstripping the >>>> number of other downloads these days with Docker hub reporting > 10 >>>> million. All of those users are running in web mode as that's the only way >>>> the container runs, so it's clear that the web app architecture is the >>>> right thing for a significant number of users. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave Page >>>> Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com >>>> Twitter: @pgsnake >>>> >>>> EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com >>>> The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> Dave Page >> Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com >> Twitter: @pgsnake >> >> EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com >> The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company >> > -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
