Yes I read your follow-up post. I understood the table is "global". My 
remaining question simply was:

Your function temp_table (as ill-named as it might be),

Can it run concurrently and will the contents be isolated? I suppose so.


Regards,
Franz-Josef Färber

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Adrian Klaver <[email protected]> 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2026 16:30
An: Färber, Franz-Josef (StMUK) <[email protected]>; Laurenz 
Albe <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Cc: Haupt, Matthias (StMUK) <[email protected]>
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Why is materialized view creation a "security-restricted 
operation"?

On 10/14/26 6:16 AM, Färber, Franz-Josef (StMUK) wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion. Could work.
> 
> * Then we have a table at global scope.
> * However it won't be seen by other transactions, and is deleted in the same 
> transaction. Sounds safe at first glance?
> * Well, what about two transactions running concurrently, both executing 
> public.temp_table()? Is safe, too, as far as I understand about transactions? 
> Each transaction has its own table, even though on global scope?

As I indicated in a follow on post, my naming the function temp_table() was a 
mistake. This actually creates a 'permanent' table that survives a run until 
dropped on next run. Like I said this was a quick and dirty example. Without 
more information on what your process flow and security expectations this is 
about as in depth as I can get.

> 
> Quite a bunch of things to consider, but sounds safe enough for me. Thank you.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Franz-Josef Färber
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Adrian Klaver <[email protected]>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2026 18:23
> An: Färber, Franz-Josef (StMUK) <[email protected]>; 
> Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> Cc: Haupt, Matthias (StMUK) <[email protected]>
> Betreff: Re: AW: Why is materialized view creation a "security-restricted 
> operation"?
> 
> On 10/13/26 4:36 AM, Färber, Franz-Josef (StMUK) wrote:
>>>> [rant about PostgreSQL security restrictions]
>> No no no, not about security restrictions. The rant is about lacking 
>> orthogonality. About often NOT being able to combine language features. 
>> Doesn't anybody share that view? We COULD do better, I think.
> 
> Quick and dirty example.
> 
> cat test.csv
> 1,dog,t
> 2,cat,f
> 3,fish,t
> 
> CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION public.temp_table()
>    RETURNS TABLE(id integer, type character varying, active boolean)
>    LANGUAGE plpgsql
> AS $function$
> BEGIN
>       DROP TABLE IF EXISTS test_csv;
>       CREATE TABLE test_csv(id integer, type varchar, active boolean);
>       COPY test_csv FROM '/var/lib/postgresql/18/main/test.csv' WITH CSV;
>       RETURN QUERY EXECUTE
>           'SELECT id, type, active FROM test_csv'; END; $function$
> 
> 
> select * from temp_table();
>    id | type | active
> ----+------+--------
>     1 | dog  | t
>     2 | cat  | f
>     3 | fish | t
> 
> 
>>
>>> If the security restrictions of materialized views prevent you from using 
>>> them, why don't you use a normal table instead, TRUNCATE it and INSERT into 
>>> it?
>> The MAT VIEW is used from "outside". From other views, or from a client that 
>> connects to the database.
>>
>> * I can replace it with a view; I didn't do that for performance reasons.
>> * I can replace it with a persistent table, a stored procedure, and custom 
>> caching logic. That'll work. But this is what a MAT VIEW is for, I thought.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Franz-Josef Färber
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2026 13:06
>> An: Färber, Franz-Josef (StMUK) 
>> <[email protected]>;
>> Adrian Klaver <[email protected]>; 
>> [email protected]
>> Cc: Haupt, Matthias (StMUK) <[email protected]>
>> Betreff: Re: Why is materialized view creation a "security-restricted 
>> operation"?
>>
>> On Mon, 2026-10-12 at 14:59 +0000, Färber, Franz-Josef (StMUK) wrote:
>>
>>> [rant about PostgreSQL security restrictions]
>>>
>>> Ok, I think some people get the point that I claim SQL / Postgres is 
>>> lacking modularity / orthogonality in the way as I tried to define above.
>>
>> I don't.  Just because the features you are stacking don't work the way 
>> you'd like them to, it's not a shortcoming of orthogonality or modularity.
>>
>>> So let me explain. And perhaps somebody can give good advice.
>>>
>>> * I am running Postgres in a container.
>>> * I am using https://github.com/pramsey/pgsql-http to query REST services 
>>> using credentials.
>>> * I took it as good advice to pass environment variables into the 
>>> container, and to pass
>>>     passwords as single files, in mounted container directory /run/secrets/ 
>>> .
>>> * Inside postgres I am trying to load that data, using memoization pattern. 
>>> For example using
>>>     CREATE TEMP TABLE x ...; COPY x ... FROM PROGRAM 'cat 
>>> /run/secrets/mypassword'.
>>>     This part is encapsulated as a function.
>>>
>>> * Now there was one point where I was using a MATERIALIZED VIEW accessing 
>>> that function.
>>>     And well, that failed.
>>>
>>> What I COULD do is replace COPY x ... FROM PROGRAM with a file_fdw 
>>> FOREIGN TABLE, but this way it isn't parametrizable. I would have to 
>>> create as many foreign tables as I have passwords / environment variables, 
>>> I think.
>>
>> If the security restrictions of materialized views prevent you from using 
>> them, why don't you use a normal table instead, TRUNCATE it and INSERT into 
>> it?
>>
>> Yours,
>> Laurenz Albe
> 
> 
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