> On Apr 18, 2018, at 11:59, Robert Haas <robertmh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure exactly how you intended to this comment, but it seems to
> me that whether CSV is ease or hard to parse, somebody might
> legitimately find JSON more convenient.

Of course.  The specific comment I was replying to made a couple of jumps that 
I wanted to unwind: The first is that we don't have a machine-readable format 
for PostgreSQL (we do, CSV), and that there was "no substantial objection to 
this need."

If the requirement is: "There is a large class of log analysis tool out there 
that has trouble with multiline formats and we should be good ecosystem 
players," that's fine.  (I'm a bit sour about the number of tools being written 
with one-line-per-event baked into them and whose solution to any other format 
is "use regex," but that's neither here nor there, I suppose.)

My primary objection to creating new output formats is that it creates an 
implicit burden on downstream tools to adopt them.  For example, a log of query 
analysis tools don't yet process JSON-format plans, and they've been around for 
a while.  By introducing a new format in core (which was the starting 
proposal), we're essentially telling all the tools (such as pgbadger) that 
might absorb them that we expect them to adopt that too.

> For the record, I'm tentatively in favor of including something like
> this in contrib.

I'm much less fussed by this in contrib/ (with the same concern you noted), at 
minimum as an example of how to do logging in other formats.

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