On 06/03/2015 07:18 AM, Andres Freund wrote:

On 2015-06-03 09:50:49 -0400, Noah Misch wrote:
Second, I would define the subject matter as "bug fixes, testing and
review", not "restructuring, testing and review."  Different code
structures are clearest to different hackers.  Restructuring, on
average, adds bugs even more quickly than feature development adds
them.

I can't agree with this. While I agree with not doing large
restructuring for 9.5, I think we can't affort not to refactor for
clarity, even if that introduces bugs. Noticeable parts of our code have
to frequently be modified for new features and are badly structured at
the same time. While restructuring will may temporarily increase the
number of bugs in the short term, it'll decrease the number of bugs long
term while increasing the number of potential contributors and new
features.  That's obviously not to say we should just refactor for the
sake of it.


Our project has been continuing to increase momentum over the last few years and our adoption has increased at an amazing rate. It is important to remember that we have users. These users have needs that must be met else those users will move on to a different technology.

I agree that we need to postpone this release. I also agree that there is likely re-factoring to be done. I have also never met a programmer who doesn't think something needs to be re-factored. The majority of programmers I know all suffer from NIH and want to change how things are implemented.

If we are going to re-factor, it should not be considered global and should be attacked with specific goals in mind. If those goals are not specifically defined and agreed on, we will get very pretty code with very little use for our users. Then our users will leave because they are busy waiting on us to re-factor.

In short, we must balance this effort with the needs of the code versus the needs of our users.

Sincerely,

JD

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