Tom Lane wrote:
Barry Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

AFAICS the only context where this could make sense is binary
transmission of parameters for a previously-prepared statement.  We do
have all the pieces for that on the roadmap.

Actually it is the select of binary data that I was refering to. Are you suggesting that the over the wire format for bytea in a query result will be binary (instead of the ascii encoded text format as it currently exists)?

See binary cursors ...

Generally that is not an option. It either requires users to code to postgresql specific sql syntax, or requires the driver to do it magically for them. The later runs into all the issues that I raised on cursor support.

In general the jdbc driver is expected to execute arbitrary sql statements any application might want to send it. The driver is handicaped because it doesn't know really anything about that sql statement (other than it is a select vs an update or delete). Specifically it doesn't know what tables or columns that SQL will access or how many rows a select will return. All of this knowledge is in the backend, and short of implementing a full sql parser in java this knowledge will never exist in the front end. Many of the things I put on my wish list for the protocol stem from this.

Where there are two ways to do something (use cursors or not, use prepared statements or not, use binary cursors or not) the driver either needs to a) choose one way and always use it, b) infer from the sql statement which way will be better, or c) require the user to tell us. The problem with a) is that it may not always be the correct choice. The problem with b) is that generally this isn't possible and the problem with c) is it requires that the user write code that isn't portable across different databases.

I would like to simply do a) in all cases. But that means that one of the two options should always (or almost always) be the best choice. So in the case of "use cursors or not", it would be nice if using cursors added little or no overhead such that it could always be used. In the case of "use prepared statements vs not", it would be nice if prepared statements added little or no overhead so that they could always be used. And finally in the case of "use binary or regular cursors" it would be nice if binary cursors could always be used.

The Oracle SQLNet protocol supports most of this. Though it has been a few years since I worked with it, the oracle protocol has many of the features I am looking for (and perhaps the reason I am looking for them, is that I have seen them used there before). Essentially the Oracle protocol lets you do the following operations: open, parse, describe, bind, execute, fetch, close. A request from the client to the server specifies what operations it wants to perform on a sql statement. So a client could request to do all seven operations (which is essentially what the current postgres protocol does today). Or it could issue an open,parse call which essentially is that same thing as the PREPARE sql statement, followed by a describe,bind,execute,fetch which is similar to an EXECUTE and FETCH sql statement and finally a close which is similar to a CLOSE and DEALLOCATE sql. The describe request is generally only done once even though you may do multiple fetchs (unlike todays protocol which includes the describe information on every fetch, even if you are fetching one row at a time). The oracle approach gives the client complete flexibility to do a lot, without requiring that the client start parsing sql statements and doing things like appending on DECLARE CURSOR, or FETCH in order to reformate the applications sql statement into the postgresql sql way of doing this.


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