On Sun, 4 May 2008, Tom Lane wrote:

Well, I tried a pgbench test similar to that one --- on smaller hardware than was reported, so it was a bit smaller test case, but it should have given similar results.

My pet theory on cases where sorting will help suggests you may need a write-caching controller for this patch to be useful. I expect we'll see the biggest improvement in situations where the total amount of dirty buffers is larger than the write cache and the cache becomes blocked. If you're not offloading to another device like that, the OS-level elevator sorting will handle sorting for you close enough to optimally that I doubt this will help much (and in fact may just get in the way).

Of course it's notoriously hard to get consistent numbers out of pgbench
anyway, so I'd rather see some other test case ...

I have some tools to run pgbench results many times and look for patterns that work fairly well for the consistency part. pgbench will dirty a very high percentage of the buffer cache by checkpoint time relative to how much work it does, which makes it close to a best case for confirming there is a potential improvement here.

I think a reasonable approach is to continue trying to quantify some improvement using pgbench with an eye toward also doing DBT2 tests, which provoke similar behavior at checkpoint time. I suspect someone who already has a known good DBT2 lab setup with caching controller hardware (EDB?) might be able to do a useful test of this patch without too much trouble on their part.

Unless someone can volunteer to test sooner, I think we should drop this item from the current commitfest queue.

This patch took a good step forward toward being commited this round with your review, which is the important part from my perspective (as someone who would like this to be committed if it truly works). I expect that performance related patches will often take more than one commitfest to pass through.

From the perspective of keeping the committer's plates clean, a reasonable
system for this situation might be for you to bounce this into the rejected pile as "Returned for testing" immediately, to clearly remove it from the main queue. A reasonable expectation there is that you might consider it again during May if someone gets back with said testing results before the 'fest ends.

* Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD

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