If so, I'd have to take the EXPLAIN ANALYZE results with a big grain of
salt, because what it's trying to do is add up a lot of
mostly-sub-millisecond intervals.  What would essentially happen is that
whichever plan node had control at a particular millisecond boundary
would get charged for the whole preceding millisecond, and any other
nodes (which might have actually eaten most of the millisecond) would
get charged nothing.

Well, we do know that it's at least 75% accurate. I'm only looking for a relative increase in performance. My goal is to try and get this query down to 30 milliseconds. But even 125 or 75 would be an improvement. Any improvement, even based on fuzzy data, is still an improvement. Being precise isn't really that important, at least not to me or the people using the application. I can see how rounding can throw off results in the inner parts of the plan though, but I think we should try and work with the explain as it is. If there is anything else I can give you to help me out, please ask and I will kindly do it. I want to make this easy for you.

Over a sufficiently long query run, the errors would average out, but
this wasn't that long --- 312 milliseconds, so in essence we are trying
to estimate the query's behavior from only 312 samples of where it was
at the millisecond boundaries.  I don't trust profiles based on less
than a few thousand samples ...

I'm just using data from the production database, which only has 5 digits worth of rows in the main tables. I don't think I can get millions of rows in these tables, although I wish I could. I'd have to write a program to insert the data randomly and try to make it distributed the way a real production database might look in a few years if I wanted the most accurate results. I would try to make the dates bunched up correctly and add more carriers and shipments over time (as more customers would use the system) expoentially.

But I'm trying to be practical too. This query is too slow for 5 digits of rows in the database. Imagine how bad it would be with millions! Unfortunately, this query gets ran by hundreds of people logged in every 60 seconds on average. It must be as fast as possible. During peak times, people have to wait 5 or 6 seconds just to see the results of this query.

I understand the app may be at fault too, but if this query performed faster, I'm sure that would solve that problem because it's inheritly slow and the app is very well layered. It makes good use of frameworks like Spring, Hibernate and database pooling, which have been used on many applications and have been running very well for us. The fact that the query is slow in PgAdmin III or phpPgAdmin speaks that the query can be tuned better.

I am no master tuner. I have read as much as I could about database tuning in general, about the proper use of Hibernate and so on. Frankly, I am not experienced enough to solve this problem and I wish to learn from the experts, like you Tom, John, Ragnar and others that have responded kindly to my request.

Most modern machines seem to have clocks that can count elapsed time
down to near the microsecond level.  Anyone know if it's possible to get
such numbers out of Windows, or are we stuck with milliseconds?

These results came from PgAdmin III directly. I'm not sure how I can get different results even if I knew of a way.

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