Tobias,
Interesting example:

The 'desc' seems to be the guy triggering the sort, e.g:

explain select c.id from c join b on c_id=c.id group by c.id order by c.id limit 5; QUERY PLAN
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Limit  (cost=0.00..0.28 rows=5 width=4)
   ->  Group  (cost=0.00..4476.00 rows=80000 width=4)
         ->  Merge Join  (cost=0.00..4276.00 rows=80000 width=4)
               Merge Cond: ("outer".id = "inner".c_id)
-> Index Scan using c_pkey on c (cost=0.00..1518.00 rows=80000 width=4) -> Index Scan using b_on_c on b (cost=0.00..1558.00 rows=80000 width=4)
(6 rows)

Whereas with it back in again:

explain select c.id from c join b on c_id=c.id group by c.id order by c.id desc limit 5; QUERY PLAN
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Limit  (cost=10741.08..10741.11 rows=5 width=4)
   ->  Group  (cost=10741.08..11141.08 rows=80000 width=4)
         ->  Sort  (cost=10741.08..10941.08 rows=80000 width=4)
               Sort Key: c.id
               ->  Hash Join  (cost=1393.00..4226.00 rows=80000 width=4)
                     Hash Cond: ("outer".c_id = "inner".id)
-> Seq Scan on b (cost=0.00..1233.00 rows=80000 width=4)
                     ->  Hash  (cost=1193.00..1193.00 rows=80000 width=4)
-> Seq Scan on c (cost=0.00..1193.00 rows=80000 width=4)
(9 rows)


However being a bit brutal:

set enable_mergejoin=false;
set enable_hashjoin=false;

explain select c.id from c join b on c_id=c.id group by c.id order by c.id desc limit 5; QUERY PLAN
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Limit  (cost=0.00..15.24 rows=5 width=4)
   ->  Group  (cost=0.00..243798.00 rows=80000 width=4)
         ->  Nested Loop  (cost=0.00..243598.00 rows=80000 width=4)
-> Index Scan Backward using c_pkey on c (cost=0.00..1518.00 rows=80000 width=4) -> Index Scan using b_on_c on b (cost=0.00..3.01 rows=1 width=4)
                     Index Cond: (b.c_id = "outer".id)
(6 rows)

What is interesting is why this plan is being rejected...

Cheers

Mark

Tobias Brox wrote:
Consider this setup - which is a gross simplification of parts of our
production system ;-)

  create table c (id integer primary key);
  create table b (id integer primary key, c_id integer);
  create index b_on_c on b(c_id)

  insert into c (select ... lots of IDs ...);
  insert into b (select id, id from c); /* keep it simple :-) */
Now, I'm just interessted in some few rows.
All those gives good plans:

explain select c.id from c order by c.id limit 1;
explain select c.id from c group by c.id order by c.id limit 1;
explain select c.id from c join b on c_id=c.id order by c.id limit 1;

... BUT ... combining join, group and limit makes havoc:

explain select c.id from c join b on c_id=c.id  group by c.id order by c.id
desc limit 5;


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