Sorry for not being clear enough. What i meant is how aware the optimizer is 
about the transitivity of operators. 



I agree that the more join clauses a query gets, the more flexibility the 
optimizer gets to pick an optimal plan.



what i expected is that the optimizer will use the redundant predicates
to create the plan, but the execution plan itself will not execute a
redundant predicate. 



O! I see, it's my mistake. The example i mentioned was not a good example. I 
tried the equality and it is working well :)




Nested Loop  (cost=0.00..3.14 rows=1 width=368)

   Join Filter: ("outer".username = "inner".username)

   ->  Nested Loop  (cost=0.00..2.10 rows=1 width=218)

         Join Filter: ("outer".username = "inner".username)

         ->  Seq Scan on t1  (cost=0.00..1.01 rows=1 width=146)

         ->  Seq Scan on t3  (cost=0.00..1.04 rows=4 width=72)

   ->  Seq Scan on t2  (cost=0.00..1.02 rows=2 width=150)



I am using postgresql 8.5.1, I am wondering is there is any patch that
i can run to enable it to put the actual table names instead of
inner/outer. Should i post this to the hackers mailing list?



Thanks a lot.




> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> CC: pgsql-sql@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [SQL] omitting redundant join predicate 
> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:35:36 -0500
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Ehab Galal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > explain select * 
> > from t1, t2, t3 
> > where t1.f <= t2.f
> >   and t2.f <= t3.f
> >   and t1.f <= t3.f;
> 
> > I was wondering if there is a
> > way to omit the redundant join predicate.
> 
> You're not being very clear here.  Do you mean will you get the same
> answer if you omit "t1.f <= t3.f"?  Yes, of course (ignoring possibly
> different output ordering).  Do you mean you think the system should
> discard it as redundant?  I disagree --- the more join clauses the
> better, as a rule.  Do you mean that the EXPLAIN output looks like
> the same comparison is being applied twice?  It isn't --- in a more
> modern PG release the output looks like this:
> 
>                             QUERY PLAN                            
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Nested Loop  (cost=33.54..81794021.44 rows=362975624 width=12)
>    Join Filter: ((t1.f <= t2.f) AND (t2.f <= t3.f))
>    ->  Nested Loop  (cost=0.00..124472.40 rows=1526533 width=8)
>          Join Filter: (t1.f <= t3.f)
>          ->  Seq Scan on t1  (cost=0.00..31.40 rows=2140 width=4)
>          ->  Seq Scan on t3  (cost=0.00..31.40 rows=2140 width=4)
>    ->  Materialize  (cost=33.54..54.94 rows=2140 width=4)
>          ->  Seq Scan on t2  (cost=0.00..31.40 rows=2140 width=4)
> (8 rows)
> 
> This is of course the stupidest possible join plan, but it's hard to do
> much better --- both hash and merge joins work only on equality
> conditions.  You can do a bit better with an index on t2.f:
> 
>                               QUERY PLAN                              
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Nested Loop  (cost=0.00..13222230.60 rows=362975624 width=12)
>    ->  Nested Loop  (cost=0.00..124472.40 rows=1526533 width=8)
>          Join Filter: (t1.f <= t3.f)
>          ->  Seq Scan on t1  (cost=0.00..31.40 rows=2140 width=4)
>          ->  Seq Scan on t3  (cost=0.00..31.40 rows=2140 width=4)
>    ->  Index Scan using t2i on t2  (cost=0.00..5.01 rows=238 width=4)
>          Index Cond: ((t1.f <= t2.f) AND (t2.f <= t3.f))
> (7 rows)
> 
>                       regards, tom lane

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