Thanks for the effort Markus!
On 15.05.2013, at 19:52, Marcus Denker <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, > > So now that everything is working… sorry for the mess. > > We should have left the gforge infrastructure the last time we had a > multi-day problem, > not wait till we get it again. > > I think this will be my new principle: second real problem -> I leave. No > discussions. > We already saw with the jenkins story just how deadly bad infrastructure is. > > So what happened was that last Tuesday, the lists (all lists of gforge) > stopped delivering. > Why is not clear, seemingly it was not gforge itself but the upstream servers > did > not deliver. Whatever. > What is clear is that it was completely unclear how long this would take, and > that we > needed a solution after nearly a week of waiting. > > So we decided to move the lists. Of course with the old lists down, this was > harder than > normal (even involved parsing the html to get the subscribers…) but that is > not important. > > Now the problem its hat Mailman does not distinguish between people that > unsubscribe, > and those turning off delivery. So there where just a lot of people listed > with "nomail (U)", > > What to do? It was clear that we can't just subscribe lots of people to a > list that they *actively* > unsubscribed. So the only option was to skip those by > -> unsubscribing them from the old list > -> then get the list of subscribers > -> put that in the new list. > > The only people that will see a bad effect are those using e.g nabble to read > the list. But those > would see the new mails, too. The only problem they have is if the want to > send. So not *that* of > a big deal. > > It seems that we got quite some false positive subscribers anyway in the form > of people who filtered > the mails and then with the new list the filter did not work and they > suddenly saw mails of a long forgotten > list. We even had the case of people who where "nomail (U)", yet they did get > mails delivered. How > that can possibly work, I have no clue *at all*. > > What else is missing (and on my TODO since Sunday/Monday, sorry for not yet > acting on it): > > -> lists.pharo.org has an empty page and needs to point to the list of > the lists inttead > -> the archive needs to be moved from the old jenkins. > -> the (incomplete) archive of the new lists is not working since I put > it as public. > > So… maybe it would have been better to just wait until gforge works again and > then move… but > it was just far too long already and not clear when it would be working again. > > Marcus
