On 15 May 2013, at 20:01, Max Leske <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the effort Markus!
+10 And let's hope the lists are stable now. > On 15.05.2013, at 19:52, Marcus Denker <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> So now that everything is working… sorry for the mess. >> >> We should have left the gforge infrastructure the last time we had a >> multi-day problem, >> not wait till we get it again. >> >> I think this will be my new principle: second real problem -> I leave. No >> discussions. >> We already saw with the jenkins story just how deadly bad infrastructure is. >> >> So what happened was that last Tuesday, the lists (all lists of gforge) >> stopped delivering. >> Why is not clear, seemingly it was not gforge itself but the upstream >> servers did >> not deliver. Whatever. >> What is clear is that it was completely unclear how long this would take, >> and that we >> needed a solution after nearly a week of waiting. >> >> So we decided to move the lists. Of course with the old lists down, this was >> harder than >> normal (even involved parsing the html to get the subscribers…) but that is >> not important. >> >> Now the problem its hat Mailman does not distinguish between people that >> unsubscribe, >> and those turning off delivery. So there where just a lot of people listed >> with "nomail (U)", >> >> What to do? It was clear that we can't just subscribe lots of people to a >> list that they *actively* >> unsubscribed. So the only option was to skip those by >> -> unsubscribing them from the old list >> -> then get the list of subscribers >> -> put that in the new list. >> >> The only people that will see a bad effect are those using e.g nabble to >> read the list. But those >> would see the new mails, too. The only problem they have is if the want to >> send. So not *that* of >> a big deal. >> >> It seems that we got quite some false positive subscribers anyway in the >> form of people who filtered >> the mails and then with the new list the filter did not work and they >> suddenly saw mails of a long forgotten >> list. We even had the case of people who where "nomail (U)", yet they did >> get mails delivered. How >> that can possibly work, I have no clue *at all*. >> >> What else is missing (and on my TODO since Sunday/Monday, sorry for not yet >> acting on it): >> >> -> lists.pharo.org has an empty page and needs to point to the list of >> the lists inttead >> -> the archive needs to be moved from the old jenkins. >> -> the (incomplete) archive of the new lists is not working since I put >> it as public. >> >> So… maybe it would have been better to just wait until gforge works again >> and then move… but >> it was just far too long already and not clear when it would be working >> again. >> >> Marcus > >
