>> PS: we are ants running around while elephants (python, ruby, Javascripts)
>> are passing close by.
>> Not making serious progress is death.
>
> We will be even smaller ants if we won't cooperate and listen to each
> other, and this thread is exact example, how listening don't go very well.
No it is not.
frank asked our position on upstream and we said it.
> Also, sending messages like Pharo as Smalltalk-inspired instead of
> naming it proudly as Pharo Smalltalk is also a short-sighted, again
> making divisions instead of cooperation.
Because you think that showing a technology that is from 1980 when Javascript
is out
is a way to get slightly credible.
Janko you should give more lecture to students to see their eyes…. I did that
during years
trying to push Smalltalk with grey visualworks and pinky squeak and I can tell
you
that it was a failure.
Now let us talk about car, I want a brand new one and hyper cool not one (even
cool) from
the 1980. I want the one of 2010.
Now may be you do not understand what we are doing and you think that we are
idiot.
But get burnt as many times as us and come back to talk with us:
- because we are systematically perceived as strange/idiots when using
smalltalk
- we got the blackout based on java, now there is scala and
javascript.
> Not to mention that outside
> world is confused, questioning if Pharo is or will stay Smalltalk at all.
The outside world (where is that)? who is that?
if you believe that the world did not change since 1980 this is good for you :).
But the world changed. Now we want a super Smalltalk not just a Smalltalk from
the 80.
Not one where each I want to do something I have to jump above barrier and
garbage.
I want a system that enable me to work, be productive and have fun with objects.
Stef
