On Oct 17, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Goubier Thierry <[email protected]> wrote:
> Once the correct fonts are installed, the pdf looks very different :) > > Revised judgement: > > Source code pro is not bad for a monospaced font. > Source sans pro is impressive of density (9), and has this additional > readability on DejaVu sans for the $l. > > I'll take Source Sans Pro, then. > > But Pharo is not seeing it in the dialog. Is that because I did a user > specific install of the fonts (and not system wide) and Pharo is not checking > the user-specific fonts? yes, that's exactly what happens :) but also pharo should contain those fonts (it should not need an installation)... currently I'm working on figure out why that does not work. Esteban > > Thierry > > Le 17/10/2013 11:11, Goubier Thierry a écrit : >> I'll do like you because... >> >> I only managed to install the source code pro font so far (no default >> install in ubuntu) and Pharo doesn't see it (LibreOffice does). I'll >> look for the source sans pro download as well. >> >> (May explain the pdf issues if the fonts are not embedded in the pdf >> document). >> >> Thierry >> >> Le 17/10/2013 10:57, Igor Stasenko a écrit : >>> ok i looked at .xlxslsx file >>> at least, in google preview it looks more or less close to the truth :) >>> >>> and i can say that Source Sans Pro is a winner ( to my taste ). >>> I like that for 'i' in it don't closes together as in 'it', comparing to >>> dejavu , where it does. >>> It reads very clear yet compact. >>> >>> On 17 October 2013 10:43, Igor Stasenko <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 17 October 2013 10:47, Goubier Thierry <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 17/10/2013 10:29, Igor Stasenko a écrit : >>> >>> hmm.. i have suspicion that it is actually adobe who can't >>> handle the >>> font properly.. >>> because in some examples for source code pro font, the >>> adjacent letters >>> jump onto each other. >>> i don't believe it is that bad (see attached)Inline images 1 >>> >>> >>> Adobe or the viewer? I used evince to view it, not acrobat >>> reader. It may point to incorrect spacing information in Source >>> Sans Pro (I have not the errors you see in Source Code Pro). >>> >>> Who is in charge of the Source Pro font? Which typographer? Oh, >>> Adobe apparently. If they can't handle it properly... >>> >>> i am far from blaming adobe, just wanted to say that in my viewer it >>> does not shows things >>> properly, because when rendered in pharo it don't have such problems. >>> >>> so i cannot have decent comparison.. >>> >>> Thierry >>> >>> >>> >>> On 17 October 2013 09:28, Goubier Thierry >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> <mailto:[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>__>> wrote: >>> >>> Excellent, I like the comparison a lot! Thanks! >>> >>> My take is: >>> - Unable to like Source Code Pro 9 (and it's so wide); >>> - Source Sans Pro 9 has spacing issues (16r, the r is >>> too close) and >>> reading issues (it's the worse for the lL|i characters) >>> - Source sans Pro 10 is better than 9 (but what with >>> the 2x space?) >>> >>> Overall, I'd stay with DejaVu Sans 9 based on this >>> sample. In my >>> opinion, the best compromise density / readability. >>> >>> Thierry >>> >>> Le 16/10/2013 19:56, [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> <mailto:[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : >>> >>> >>> Goubier Thierry wrote: >>> >>> I'd be more impressed if the argument was >>> helping me distinguish >>> between | and l. >>> >>> >>> Yes. It is designed to do that. Some common >>> failings of >>> monospaced fonts >>> are noted [1] and dealt with. There comment section >>> is also >>> interesting. >>> >>> The attached PDFs are the result of getting the >>> urge to compare >>> a broad >>> coverage of code examples (taken from "Terse Guide >>> to Squeak") >>> against >>> three fonts: >>> * DejaVu Sans 9 point >>> * Source Code Pro [1] [2] 9 point >>> * Source Sans Pro [3] [4] 9 point & 10 point, since >>> the width of >>> 10 was >>> the same as the others at 9. >>> Also attached is the source excel file. >>> >>> cheers -ben >>> >>> [1] >>> >>> http://blogs.adobe.com/____typblography/2012/09/source-____code-pro.html >>> >>> <http://blogs.adobe.com/__typblography/2012/09/source-__code-pro.html> >>> >>> >>> <http://blogs.adobe.com/__typblography/2012/09/source-__code-pro.html >>> >>> <http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2012/09/source-code-pro.html>> >>> [2] >>> >>> http://sourceforge.net/____projects/sourcecodepro.adobe/____files/ >>> >>> <http://sourceforge.net/__projects/sourcecodepro.adobe/__files/> >>> >>> >>> <http://sourceforge.net/__projects/sourcecodepro.adobe/__files/ >>> <http://sourceforge.net/projects/sourcecodepro.adobe/files/>> >>> [3] >>> >>> http://blogs.adobe.com/____typblography/2012/08/source-____sans-pro.html >>> >>> <http://blogs.adobe.com/__typblography/2012/08/source-__sans-pro.html> >>> >>> >>> <http://blogs.adobe.com/__typblography/2012/08/source-__sans-pro.html >>> >>> <http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2012/08/source-sans-pro.html>> >>> [4] >>> >>> http://sourceforge.net/____projects/sourcesans.adobe/____postdownload?source=dlp >>> >>> >>> <http://sourceforge.net/__projects/sourcesans.adobe/__postdownload?source=dlp> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <http://sourceforge.net/__projects/sourcesans.adobe/__postdownload?source=dlp >>> >>> >>> <http://sourceforge.net/projects/sourcesans.adobe/postdownload?source=dlp>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I'l let you try, then :) >>> >>> Thierry >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thierry Goubier >>> CEA list >>> Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel >>> Embarqués >>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>> France >>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thierry Goubier >>> CEA list >>> Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués >>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>> France >>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko. >> > > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >
