On 20 Jan 2014, at 19:47, Johan Fabry <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> Stef, are you asking for aspects? :-P

No just managing mess :)

> 
> On Jan 20, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Pharo4Stef <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> this is not only loading the challenges. we should handle cross cutting 
>> changes.
>> 
>> Stef
>> 
>> On 20 Jan 2014, at 11:05, Tudor Girba <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think I understand the implications.
>>> 
>>> Moose comes with these tools out of the box, so for people that work with 
>>> Moose it makes perfect sense to work with tools from the future :). Btw, 
>>> you can work with the bare GToolkit (only the components needed for Pharo) 
>>> from here:
>>> https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/gtoolkit/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/gtoolkit.zip
>>> 
>>> I also think that the dependency problem is an important one, but it is 
>>> orthogonal with the work on producing the IDE. I want to get these tools in 
>>> Pharo, and I want to spend the energy in ensuring modularity, too. The 
>>> components of the GToolkit are modular now. If at some point we decide to 
>>> integrate them, the simplest thing we can do is to create the job that 
>>> ensures their unloadability before the integration.
>>> 
>>> Another option is to go back to a Core image and build the working image. I 
>>> think we should reevaluate this option in the light of the latest 
>>> Monticello speedups. For example, the current build time for a GToolkit 
>>> image is 1.5 mins (loads Glamour, Roassal, Graph-ET, GToolkit) which is not 
>>> a lot.
>>> 
>>> Doru
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