that article lost me when it wrote then instead of than sebastian
o/ > On 18/05/2014, at 17:09, "Esteban A. Maringolo" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just to add some fuel to this fire... this is a quote from the summary > of the latest LightTable's blog post <http://goo.gl/fTYpJX>: > > "a smooth interface to the old world so we don't end up sharing a > grave with smalltalk" > > I agree with many things in the post. But they're taking credit for > old ideas disguised as the latest innovation. > > > Regards, > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2014-05-17 8:13 GMT-03:00 kilon alios <[email protected]>: >> I don't get why C is not old / deprecated / obsolete . Afterall its as old >> as Smalltalk >> >> Who really uses modern languages ? >> >> C - 1972 >> >> Python - 1991 >> >> C++ - 1983 >> >> Pascal - 1970 >> >> .NET - 2002 >> >> Lisp - 1958 >> >> Java - 1995 >> >> Ruby - 1995 >> >> Perl - 1987 >> >> Visual Basic - 1991 >> >> Javascript - 1995 >> >> Objective C- 1983 >> >> PHP - 1995 >> >> >> The vast majority of all popular languages out there are at least 20 years >> old. Thats ancient history. They are not old, they are dinosaurs. Even >> Clojure is 7 years old. >> >> The problem I see here is that the vast majority of things people are going >> to like in Pharo on a basic level are Smalltalk features. Implementation >> wise Pharo has improved a lot of things, added new stuff etc etc. But if you >> take a look at for example Python back in 1991 and you compare it with a >> recent version of Python you will find tons of diffirences. Yet its still >> Python. >> >> Actually its impossible to run a hello world of an old python (anything >> previous to version 3) that will run in the recent Python. Cause they >> changed print "hello World" to print( "hello World") , we are talking here >> about fundamental changes. >> >> Personally I don't see how Pharo being 100% Smalltalk makes it unable or >> difficult to implement super modern and efficient new features. Languages >> and Software is not written in stone, it continuously evolves and improves >> or else people stop using it. Vim was created back in 1991 people still find >> awesome, modern, extremely powerful. >> >> this is from Ruby's website -> "Ruby is a language of careful balance. Its >> creator, Yukihiro “Matz” Matsumoto, blended parts of his favorite languages >> (Perl, Smalltalk, Eiffel, Ada, and Lisp) to form a new language that >> balanced functional programming with imperative programming." Ruby has the >> right to be called Smalltalk-inspired. because thats what it is. >> >> You got every right to describe Pharo any way you like but for me Pharo is >> "a modern implementation of Smalltalk. A visual environment for easy direct >> live coding" . >> >> >> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Hilaire Fernandes >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 16/05/2014 20:18, [email protected] a écrit : >>>> >>>> Back to the future after 30 years of spinning your wheels >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Wanting to code at the speed of tought? >>>> Wishing the machine was your friend and not a roadblock? >>>> Want to burn cash as slow as possible while maximizing your output? >>>> >>>> If so, get a copy of Pharo! It is not your (grand) daddy's Smalltalk! >>> >>> That's why I understand this argument about not advertising Smalltalk in >>> Pharo. >>> >>> Whatever we do or say, this huge mass of followers, once they heard >>> Smalltalk they fill their head with red light warning, Smalltalk = >>> old/deprecated/obsolete. >>> >>> For Pharo willing to socially scale = need to take this in consideration. >>> >>> Hilaire >>> -- >>> Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu >
