Ah, no, it’s my fault. Sometimes I implicitly skip the middle of a sentence :).
Uko On 16 Jun 2014, at 10:34, kilon alios <[email protected]> wrote: > "I could not agree more with you" means that I agree with you 100%. Its one > of the strange things of language to use a negative to imply a positive > statement :D > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <[email protected]> wrote: > @Kilon, you said almost the same thing, how comes that you do not agree with > me? > > Uko > > > On 16 Jun 2014, at 10:03, kilon alios <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I could not agree more with you >> >> I am very much against "One ring to Rule them All" , it did not work for >> Sauron in Lord of the Rings for the exact reason why its a bad idea to put >> all your eggs in one basket. Once it fails in a fundamental level you are >> screwed forever. >> >> People reinvent the wheel because this is how evolution works, this is how >> our world works. You use what you have and you add something new to the >> recipe and hope for the best. >> >> It also gives the ability to users to choose the right tool for them. A >> developer of a Library can never be more smart than its users because he >> does not know their needs and cannot anticipate their personal desires and >> workflows. >> >> I have never had the pleasure of using a Logging system, but using >> Announcements sounds like a way I would go with it if it was me. Certainly >> will give it a try thanks Tudor. >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On 16 Jun 2014, at 08:52, stepharo <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I like very much the new energy people are putting into creating the >>>> SystemLogger engine for Pharo. I think this is a specifically important >>>> area for which we have to have a solution out of the box. At the same >>>> time, I also think that Pharo provides an infrastructure that makes room >>>> for ideas that are otherwise hard to reach in other languages or >>>> environments. >>> >>> Why Java does not have announcements? >>> >>>> Stef asked for collaborations around this project, so here is my literally >>>> small contribution: a rather different logging engine. >>> I do not see how this contribute to SystemLogger. So at least please do not >>> say it, respect the amount of time I spent >>> design it and working with Norbert. >>> >>>> It is called Beacon, it is based entirely on Announcements, it has ~200 >>>> lines of code, it has no tags or levels, and in my opinion it is fully >>>> functional. >>>> >>>> You can see a detailed description here including some informal >>>> comparisons with SystemLogger: >>>> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/beacon >>>> >>>> Please let me know what you think. I would be happy to join forces to >>>> reach a mature solution that is both versatile and that can show how Pharo >>>> is different. >>> So should we see it as a competitor to SystemLogger? >>> (you will say of course not) but I do not understand. >> >> Just my 2 cents: >> Stef, I wouldn’t fight agains other projects, it’s natural that for popular >> environments there are different approaches to implement important tools. >> E.g. in Ruby there are few different web frameworks and I think logging too. >> And I wouldn’t be angry on Doru because he mentioned SystemLogger, for me >> the idea is that Pharo is missing decent logger, and there is a work being >> done on the big project, in a while Doru proposes small yet functional tool >> with it’s own philosophy. >> >> I’m trying to ignore my personal preferences here, and move attention to the >> point that we should make our environment modular and let people decide what >> they want to use. >> >> Uko >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "Every thing has its own flow" >>> >> >> > >
