2014-07-15 17:34 GMT+02:00 Goubier Thierry <[email protected]>: > I've never seen that in VW. But your feedback is interesting; maybe there > is something to look at. > > No, sorry for misunderstanding, it was closed source developments in VW...
> I wonder if looking at some of the GTPlayground stuff with another angle > could be interesting (i.e. page approach) or simply study what could be > done if we could capture a task by embedding morphs inside the text. > > I feel like the notebook concept in itself is poor in that you have to > interact with the program objects via the command line (i.e. the language > console; be it R or Python, or Mathlab) and that is certainly inferior to > the ability to select and run anywhere, inspect, explore, playground stuff. > > Le 15/07/2014 17:21, Nicolas Cellier a écrit : > > We had this kind of workbook 20 years ago in VW with mathematical >> formulae and graphics (plot) embedded. >> What we did was to avoid continous scrolling of the whole document, but >> rather have the plan of the document on the left pane of the notebook >> (just an indented tree like word navigation mode), and the text on the >> right pane for only the currently selected chapter (in a way, it's a lot >> like the source code browser). This way, no need to compose very large >> Text in Smalltalk (I also doubt our editors really scale). >> Then we could output a static view in PostScript or LaTeX. >> >> The greatest limitation IMO was not really the UI, but the principle of >> the Notebook itself: we soon needed to access the results of previous >> chunks of code, and we implemented this with an environment (understand >> some global variables). >> From software quality POV, working with such global vars is very >> disappointing and does not really scale either. >> >> The second limitation of the workbook is that, while it's very good for >> small projects (like maybe we can have in school), it's not the right >> tool for producing documents with a synthesis of the results, which >> remain the main added value of humans, so which was what we were asked >> for. >> >> However I'm still curious how far we can go with those notebooks, >> because the idea is seducing. Maybe it was our own usage which was bad... >> > > Thierry > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 > >
