yes and I do keep a close eye on Spec, I will keep trying to experiment with it and see if it fits the way I like to work. For now I dont see how Morphic is a pain in the ass for large UIs but I will have to try building a large UI first. It looks like that I will be building one very soon and being custom is a very important requirement to me.
I do understand what you say though, On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:26 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > I strongly disagree on Morphic, personally I love using it. It can be >> cleaner but still beats any other GUI I have used in terms of ease of use >> without sacrificing power. Spec on the other hand looks ugly to me , weird >> and very difficult to understand. But maybe its just my opinion and how my >> brain is wired. Afterall Spec has been very popular with Pharo devs so >> definitely is something I keep a close eye on . I really hope Morphic does >> not get removed, at least continue to be distributed as third party >> library.Though thats is unlikely with all the hard work of cleaning it up. >> > > Morphic and Spec address different concerns. > > Building a UI with Morphic alone is what one would use to do something > very custom (like a game for example). > > Now, creating a larger UI that way is definitely going to be super pain in > the assets. > > That's where Spec does fit. Of course at this point in time, the > underlying Morphic widgets are quite complicated and sometimes behave in > strange ways (try right clicks on the dev tools in unexpected areas...). > > It takes a while to get used to but it works well. > http://spec.st/docs/home/ > > I also wouldn't want Morphic to be removed, but definitely would like to > see it cleaned up in some areas. What I am not sure about is how much of an > external library we will depend on. One key thing in Morphic is that one > can learn a lot by looking inside (and solve problems), something which > will maybe not be there with a new version. > > Phil > > > > >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Alain Rastoul <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> +1 for the GTInspector, and the Moose tools/paradigm too (Roassal, >>> Glamour, Moose and others), all that stuff is great step forward and could >>> arouse interest from doubtful people. >>> I remember myself failing to show some collegues at work how the >>> smalltalk system could be a cool tool to play with, even for people >>> sticking on dotNet, Delphi or C++. >>> And sometimes they remember that too ... >>> (Smalltalk? Squeak? -at that time- that blinking and poping toy ? hahaha >>> ...) >>> :( >>> Still working on that like a flea (?- a morpion) >>> >>> Morphic removed is good news - clumsy, buggy and weird - but I don't >>> understand the relationship with GTInspector ? >>> I googled about that and just found a post of you about Bloc in the >>> mailing list, it sounds like a good idea, and I'm sure you'll manage to do >>> it cleanly, but I'm also very curious about that: big bang or dependency >>> injection and small steps? other patterns, techniques ? a link on Bloc ? >>> I'm also curious about Spec and it's status after it's change to GPL ? >>> Will it be supported in the future ? What are the alternatives ? >>> >>> I understand that you are very busy, so no problem if there is no link >>> on existing material, I should survive, >>> just wait a little :) >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Alain >>> >>> Le 24/08/2014 08:03, stepharo a écrit : >>> >>> >>>> On 24/8/14 05:39, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>>> >>>>> I see GTInspector as a big splash. I guess that if there would be a >>>>> Tool Roadmap, it would be focused on GTInspector. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not necessarily. >>>> No time to explain sorry but else I would not improve morphic because >>>> bloc is coming and parallel actions are important. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
