+1 to both of you :) Doru
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 9:18 AM, stepharo <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi sean > > > I've been mulling this over for a while, and since we've been having >> conversations about Spec's place in our future... >> > :) > Good. This is important that everybody express itself. > > >> DISCLAIMER: this is a visceral experience I've been having over a long >> period of time, so it may not be factually "true" or current, but I >> present >> it as a contribution, if only by someone saying "you're full of crap >> because..." and we all learn something. >> >> The purpose of Spec as I understand it is to both come up with a nice >> streamlined UI API, and to make multiple targets (e.g. Morphic, html) >> possible with the same codebase. These are both important goals. And it >> seems we've made some progress at least in the first case. I definitely >> enjoy working with Spec's API far more that e.g. PolyMorph. >> >> Spec could be a very valuable application-level tool. If I want to write a >> business application, I can write once via a nice API and deploy >> "anywhere". >> Life is good. >> >> My discomfort is with making *all* our core tools Spec-based. >> > > I agree this is why I started to write some little tool to be able to > browse the system > when Spec is shaking. > > Now when you see the code of the old browser this is not nice either. > So we will see and learn. But I can tell you that nothing is curved in > stone. > We will introduce GT but again you will get the same because GT is a > frameworks. > > > While it is great from an "eating our own dog food perspective", one of >> the great >> principles of Morphic is exploration and discoverability. Many times >> before >> Spec I was able to poke around a tool, figure out how it worked, and apply >> that lesson to my own UI. However, with Spec I find it extremely difficult >> to figure out WTH is going on. Parsing of arrays of symbols seems to have >> replaced Smalltalk code, and each field/model piece of a Spec UI seems to >> be >> buried behind multiple ValueHolder/Adapter/whatever levels. Granted, now >> that we have e.g. specialized inspectors, we might be able to alleviate >> this. >> > > We should iterate on it. > May be another framework will be better in the future > > >> My 2c. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Cheers, >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/When- >> all-you-have-is-Spec-everything-looks-like-a-nail-tp4775537.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
