Yes, the blocking nature of the progress bars is an argument for putting it central. I just wanted to bring the preference to your attention. Now, doing away with unused preferences is a powerful way to simplify the system.
Maybe the best strategy is to start using your new code in the launcher and see how it goes. If all goes well, people will start requesting that progress bar for the main image ;-) On 08 Sep 2014, at 13:37, kilon alios <[email protected]> wrote: > It should not be a problem because it affects only the PharoLauncher image > and not the images you download with PharoLauncher so the old progress bar > will remain in those images. > > Its personal taste of course but let remember here that a common complain > about smalltalk is that it looks weird and for some people ugly. How many > progress bars you have seen up left ? What advantage is there for a progress > bar to be up left ? > > Also because when performing such jobs pharo freezes and does not allow for > further interactions with the user until the job ends it makes more sense for > the progress bar to be in the middle , bigger size so its very visible even > from distance if the user decides to leave the screen to grab some coffee or > fight with his light saber and if possible even display a "Please wait..." > message so the user / beginner Pharoers knows this is not a bug or he /she > did not brake Pharo. > > I am not saying Pharo should be an exact copy of the GUIs out there but at > least we should respect the user habits and broke those habits only if it is > necessary. Or else you will have more and more people looking at the GUI and > going "Eeeewwww". > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[email protected]> wrote: > Nice, but did you see SystemProgressMorph class>>#settingsOn: ? In other > words, there are preferences for the location of the progress bar, these > should probably be honoured. A big or a small bar also depends a bit on taste > I would say. > > On 08 Sep 2014, at 13:00, kilon alios <[email protected]> wrote: > > > ok with a bit of help I was able to figure things out, it turns out that it > > was simple to do difficult to understand :D so here is my answer > > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25708970/trying-to-find-the-progressbar-morph-when-sending-the-message-displayprogress > > > > I also attached the new progress bar i customised and the old for > > comparison as attached images > > > > <newProgressBar.JPG> > > > > <oldProgressBar.JPG> > > > > Personally I would make my code the default Progress Bar for entire Pharo > > including all operations because its annoying to be that small and up > > there. This should work well even if there are multiple Progress Bars > > displayed. But for not its PharoLauncher only progress bar. > > > > How I add this code to PharoLauncher ? do I use just the development mode > > of PharoLauncher and Commit ? I dont want to mess anything up. > > > > Next step would be to add an info box for each image so people know what > > they download before downloading it. > > > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 8:52 PM, kilon alios <[email protected]> wrote: > > yeah yeah I see it now, there actually many announcers (3 of them ) all > > seem to signal SystemProgressMorph , oh boy this will be a tricky one . > > Thanks for the pointer, now I have to find how to capture the instance of > > that SystemProgressMorph. If I find the instance sending a width: message > > should do the trick. Looks like I will need to investigate further but at > > least you are pointed me to the right direction so I no longer feel lost in > > space. > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Thierry Goubier <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > Le 07/09/2014 11:53, kilon alios a écrit : > > > > Hello pharoers it has been almost a year since the last time I commited to > > PharoLauncher so I decided to go for it once again. The first time I added > > a progress bar for people to see the progress of the download of the image > > . Now I want to scale and reposition the progress bar as I am not happy at > > all in the way it looks , its too small and hard to read. > > > > So I created a question at stackoverflow with all the details of my problem > > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25708970/trying-to-find-the-progressbar-morph-when-sending-the-message-displayprogress > > > > I would not mind also some extra details on how I can fetch the Morphs used > > by UIManager or to even further customise UIManager. I tried to find the > > answer myself but after an hour of staring at the Pharo system browser I > > gave up. > > Hi Kilon, > > > > I don't have a stackoverflow account, so here is what I found. > > > > From displayProgress: , asJob brings you to Job, which has no morph at all. > > But, on the class side of Job, you have a job announcer (instance class > > variable jobAnnouncer). Inspect that variable, search among the > > subscriptions of the announcer, and you'll find SystemProgressMorph. > > > > A good use case of a fairly good design which is a lot harder to unravel > > than it should be, due to the lack of tools to explore announcer / > > subscription relations. > > > > Thierry > > > > > > > > >
