… which of course, it does not means new tools does not need 
enhancement/adjustments, and we all can collaborate by reporting issues, and 
ideas of what we would like of it.
but yes, it needs a change of mindset to adopt them. 

Esteban

> On 02 Oct 2014, at 17:34, Alexandre Bergel <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kilon,
> 
> Yesterday, at a conference in software engineering, someone shown a new 
> programming environment and made an experiment with users. The authors have 
> shown that users with the _most experience_ in programming technologies are 
> the most negative users. On the opposite, users with less experience in 
> programming environment enjoyed it very much.
> 
> Your email clearly goes in the first pattern.
> 
> At the beginning I was also in the same situation: I could not make up my 
> mind with GT. Including GT in Pharo is really what could happen the best of 
> our future.
> 
> Alexandre
> 
> On Oct 2, 2014, at 12:19 PM, kilon alios <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Is it just me or is the Playground a big step back in the usability of Pharo 
>> ?  
>> 
>> For me its Gui makes no sense. Gone is the right click menu which had tons 
>> of useful actions now you only get like a few options. The tab thing is 
>> weird to say the least with the navigation of the tabs being in the opposite 
>> side (bottom) of the navigation of the internal tabs(top). No more right 
>> arrow menu for shortcuts and many features that workspace had. No ability to 
>> resize the panel tabs . Weird terminolgy like "All ref" and "Meta".  Meta 
>> tab you have to select the first item and then the other first item and then 
>> it displays fully .
>> 
>> Also how one closes a tab panel ? Is it possible ? I tried everything but i 
>> cant get them to close. 
>> 
>> I click a method and instead of opening a panel on the bottom for the source 
>> as I would expect ,make my workspace area disappear and create a new panel 
>> that sends me to state, whatever this is. Then I have to click on the source 
>> tab. This is one of the most annoying guis I have used in an IDE. 
>> 
>> Ironically the meta tab has got this right , name of class - method names 
>> and source of methods . On the instance side tab there is a different kind 
>> of thinking , why ?
>> 
>> Also the inspector seems to get in some kind of loop opening forever panels 
>> when it finds a dead end in its inspection.For example clicking self.
>> 
>> It has some good ideas in it, but I dont like the execution. 
>> 
>> The big loss for me is the inability to create windows groups, this 
>> functionality provided a very nice solution to the windows mess of pharo. I 
>> can name my groups but also the individual windows and so the tabs have 
>> short names that I know what they are and names of course I can customise. 
>> 
>> I can disable it via settings but maybe I am missing something here, a some 
>> kind of usefulness because I don't understand or don't know how to use it 
>> properly. 
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