Marcus Denker wrote:

On 02 Oct 2014, at 21:36, Tudor Girba <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 5:19 PM, kilon alios <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Is it just me or is the Playground a big step back in the
usability of Pharo ?
    For me its Gui makes no sense. Gone is the right click menu which
    had tons of useful actions now you only get like a few options.
    The tab thing is weird to say the least with the navigation of the
    tabs being in the opposite side (bottom) of the navigation of the
    internal tabs(top). No more right arrow menu for shortcuts and
many features that workspace had.

I will concede that the contextual menu is incomplete. We will work on that. In the meantime, the keybindings work as in the classic workspace.


And one needs to take into account that the “pull” strategy for menu items is much better than a “push”: Instead of adding just everything that was there, wait till people get *really* upset and implement it. This proves that they *really* need it :-)

In a way we used that strategy *a lot* for Pharo… we removed so many menu entries everywhere. Or Settings… the amount of settings that I removed, I guess >100?

And the fun thing is: nobody ever complained :-)

But if I would have asked: you can be sure that someone reacts like “I never used it but now that you tell me, I want to keep it”. (this is true for every unused feature. Just remove and wait. Never ask. If you ask you will have to keep it. People react to removing unused features as if you would take something away from them that was just stored securely for bad times, as if it would be deeply ingrained in our genes or something).

Marcus

I think that is a fair strategy, as long as attention is paid when the complaints come. In my day job, the project managers don't like us just asking our (internal) clients "do you want this" - since they _always_ just say Yes without having to consider project budget. The project then grows until it is too expensive to pass a cost/benefit analysis at the executive toll-gate.

-ben


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