We are quite fast in integrating the last weeks (even months).
*Reviewed* fixes get integrated within hours, and I try to review as much
as I can if others do not.
To me this sounds like a fix to some other project on SmalltalkHub. T
The thing here is that this is like gitHub: if a random Java project is
abandoned,
does Oracle step in and take over maintenance?
Marcus
> On 04 Dec 2015, at 09:49, p...@highoctane.be wrote:
>
> Question: how long to drop the slice into the inbox?
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:51 AM, EuanM <euan...@gmail.com
> <mailto:euan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Steph,
>
> As a newcomer, here is my experience with my first bug-fix:
>
> I wrote the fix in about 5 minutes.
>
> It then took several weeks to get the big-fix accepted because of
> issues with the repository and, separately, with bitrot in the list of
> maintainers.
>
> On 30 November 2015 at 16:52, stepharo <steph...@free.fr
> <mailto:steph...@free.fr>> wrote:
> > True help closing bug
> > Build a great library
> > Buidl a cool software
> >
> > Stef
> >
> > Le 30/11/15 04:44, EuanM a écrit :
> >
> >> We also need to concentrate on building our community.
> >>
> >> We build a better platform faster if we have more people.
> >>
> >> We build a more valuable platform if we have a wider range of valuable
> >> use cases to target.
> >>
> >> Unless and until we hit a critical mass of people joining our
> >> community, we *need* to spend some of our focus on community-building.
> >>
> >> Part of great is being able to build things to sufficient completeness
> >> *and* keep them in working order over the long haul. This is easier
> >> with more contributors.
> >>
> >> On 27 November 2015 at 21:27, Tudor Girba <tu...@tudorgirba.com
> >> <mailto:tu...@tudorgirba.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello everyone,
> >>>
> >>> Please stop this thread on this mailing list. We need to focus on
> >>> building a great platform.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Doru
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Nov 27, 2015, at 10:05 PM, EuanM <euan...@gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:euan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> First of all - is this true? Where can we read about it?
> >>>>
> >>>> I cannot find anything about this at
> >>>> https://www.oracle.com/search/press <https://www.oracle.com/search/press>
> >>>>
> >>>> =======================================
> >>>>
> >>>> If Oracle did make this statement, then what people have said so far
> >>>> is true. BUT...
> >>>>
> >>>> Java got about 40% of its initial momentum from IBM dumping VisualAge
> >>>> and putting all their resources into Java.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oracle are targetting this move at IBM more than anyone else.
> >>>>
> >>>> IBM will start to think about how to migrate from Java - as Oracle are
> >>>> telling them they will have to. (It's OUR bat and its OUR ball, and
> >>>> no-one else can play with it. Not even the Java Community). And
> >>>> IBM's coders do not pay for Java, Eclipse users do not pay for Java. I
> >>>> expect the licence-fee income for JREs is small.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oracle are doing one of two things - announcing that Java is for sale
> >>>> to device providers - phones (Google is the obvious buyer) or the
> >>>> impending Internet of Things (which was what Java was designed for
> >>>> originally) or announcing that no-one making an internet of things
> >>>> offering should consider Java.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, things live on and on in a kind of zombie state. So yes, things
> >>>> live on as long as their ecosystem does. And they gently wither and
> >>>> their ecosystem withers is a long slow drawn out spiral. Which is why
> >>>> we still have Cobol.
> >>>>
> >>>> People and organisations tend to move from one technology to another
> >>>> in an incremental fashion. Swapping a little bit here, and a little
> >>>> bit there.
> >>>>
> >>>> The new target platforms are ones which
> >>>> 1) look like they have longevity, and
> >>>> 2) have a migration pathway that provides incremental steps.
> >>>>
> >>>> Offering a compelling advantage is good - but only if the steps 1)
> >>>> and 2) are catered to.
> >>>>
> >>>> IBM VisualAge Smalltalk is still robust, commercially available
> >>>> software, and VisualStudio and Gemstone continue to represent
> >>>> Smalltalk out to the big world of corporate development.
> >>>>
> >>>> So that's a start.
> >>>>
> >>>> Say only 5% of the Java world moves away from Java each year, as a
> >>>> result of this announcement.
> >>>>
> >>>> We *should* wish to take advantage of this announcement.
> >>>>
> >>>> After all, think what difference having even 0.01% of the world's Java
> >>>> coders moving to Smalltalk would make. How could we help that
> >>>> happen?
> >>>>
> >>>> Think what it would be like to have thought-leaders like Kent Beck and
> >>>> Ward Cunningham back in the Smalltalk fold. How could we help that
> >>>> happen?
> >>>>
> >>>> Think what it would be like to get back all the universities who moved
> >>>> from teaching OO concepts using Smalltalk into teaching them via Java.
> >>>> We now know almost all the ones using Smalltalk as a teaching language
> >>>> by name. Does anyone know even how many universities teach OO via
> >>>> Java? What would it be like if 5% of those universities moved to
> >>>> Smalltalk each year. How could we help that happen?
> >>>>
> >>>> Next - do we have any big brained thinkers who can see specific ways
> >>>> we can improve interoperation between Java facilities and libraries
> >>>> and the Smalltalks? For the next 12 months, we should work on Java
> >>>> integration, rather than C++ integration. We should identify the
> >>>> three best things for us to do in this regard, and make them polished
> >>>> and compelling. Who is in a position to help that happen?
> >>>>
> >>>> The final way we can take advantage help the maximum number of people
> >>>> find their way to us is to present a united community front to the
> >>>> outside world. In the same way I am both a European and a Scot, we
> >>>> need to be Smalltalkers *and*members of our individual
> >>>> Smalltalk-platform communities.
> >>>>
> >>>> How can we help make that happen?
> >>>>
> >>>> This is not a silver bullet. It's going to cause a long-term trend in
> >>>> events, not a sudden abrupt change. But it will have a real, if
> >>>> gradual effect. (assuming that
> >>>>
> >>>> Equally, it is not something we should ignore. It is something we
> >>>> should make use of. We need to put effort into raising our profile
> >>>> over the next 6 months.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 25 November 2015 at 19:51, Casimiro - GMAIL
> >>>> <casimiro.barr...@gmail.com <mailto:casimiro.barr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Em 25-11-2015 17:21, Nicolas Anquetil escreveu:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 25/11/2015 19:55, Jimmie Houchin wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Much truth in what you say. However, what Oracle choose to invest its
> >>>>> money,
> >>>>> time, personnel resource into Java does affect its present and future.
> >>>>> It
> >>>>> has a great affect. But it isn't the whole story. Java has enough
> >>>>> momentum
> >>>>> in what already exists in the language and vm and what has been release
> >>>>> under its license, for businesses to keep going for some time with only
> >>>>> what
> >>>>> currently exists.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cobol is still alive (and well) after > 50 years.
> >>>>> You can expect Java programmers to find jobs for many years yet to come
> >>>>> :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> nicolas
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Nicolas Anquetil
> >>>>> RMod team -- Inria Lille
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1st: Java is extremely profitable. Each android phone, each android TV,
> >>>>> each
> >>>>> android embedded system pays copyrights to Oracle.
> >>>>> 2nd: Much of current cloud infrastructure depends on java.
> >>>>> 3rd: Java is already obsolete, like Frotran, Cobol, C, C++. It will
> >>>>> continue
> >>>>> to be used by same reasons these languages are used.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> IMHO, discussing java is not profitable. Better to discuss things to be
> >>>>> than
> >>>>> talk about things that already happened.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> casimiro
> >>>>>
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> >>>
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