Well it is definitely not about Pharo
and it is politics whic is (from Greek: πολιτικός politikos, definition "of, for, or relating to citizens")
Mark On 22/12/2016 10:48, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:
I don't see anywhere me mentioning my support for a political party or ideology or even mention politics at all. You must have a very abstract definition of "politics". Funny thing is that you could not quote the most inappropriate case because I am completely against any form of politics including anarchism. So please don't make assumptions about people who you know very little about. Accuse me that my reply is not Pharo development based , guilty as charged, but then so is not the topic of the discussion. On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 at 12:37, Norbert Hartl <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I don't think this list is the proper place for discussing politics. So can we please not do it? thanks, NorbertAm 22.12.2016 um 11:20 schrieb Dimitris Chloupis <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>: I completely agree with you Phil, the real tragedy is this Berlin tragedy will be the excuse to funnel billion of euros into a war that will bring zero results , billions that could be invested not only to save 30 or even a thousand lives but millions of lives. To talk about regression is to not be aware of how extremely lucky and privileged we are to live in a time that experts call "the long peace" . Never in the recorded human history there were so few wars worldwide and as much poverty and it continuously gets better even in this time of global economic crisis. As a matter of fact the biggest problems we face are the result of this long peace and prosperity . Top ones being over population and climate change. In both cases of positives and negative we experience the profound effects of exponential growth. This crazy curve of constant growth that start small and much later increases in insane rates which has massive positive and negative effects. Its a crazy ride and will only get massively more crazy soon enough, especially now with the coming of the AI revolution. I wonder the role Pharo will play in all this :) On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 1:56 AM [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Regression? Consider that 1 human on 5 is under the poverty line vs 1 on 2 not so many years ago and that a large percentage of the human population has been schooled in elementary matters (again, not the case not so far in the past). That is a massive improvement! Despite terrorist casualties, which compared to flu or car crashes, or even toddlers shooting relatives with guns is two orders of magnitude less, we live in the safest environment we have ever had. Not a regression at all. http://www.fayard.fr/histoire-du-terrorisme-9782213687308 has a pretty useful background on their logic. Terrorism is the weapon of the weak in terms of fighting force, otherwise they would engage in a full on war to conquer the territory. The psychological impact is just out of proportions vs the number of casualties. I got rammed into by a truck last week and could have been killed. That's just a mundane occurence that statistically kills more people than any terrorist attack would. Ref: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_de_la_route_en_France "Et depuis 1945, les chiffres sont aussi édifiants, car il faut parler d'au moins 500 000 morts, soit l'équivalent d'un grand conflit majeur, ou l'équivalent des pertes humaines subies en France lors de la Seconde Guerre mondiale." Not to mention domestic accidents: "Chaque année en France, près de 20 000 personnes décèdent dans un accident domestique, c'est trois fois plus que sur la route."" Plus de la moitié des accidents de la vie courante concerne des enfants de 0 à 16 ans. Et malgré les progrès accomplis depuis les années 80, c'est pour eux une des principales causes de décès prématurés. Produits ménagers ou médicaments accessibles, chaise haute non sanglée, table à langer instable. en quelques minutes, la vie peut tourner au drame. Il faut savoir que chez les tout-petits, c'est à l'intérieur de la maison que se situe le danger" Best course of action is to keep on trucking and be a productive element of society. No matter what. YOLO after all. Phil On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:44 PM, stepharong <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Indeed, immensely sad. Humanity is under regression. When you see that in Mali they destroyed the oldest world library. What sadden me the most is that in case of attacks in France, these attacks were made by brainwashed french citezen against french citizen contrary to what ugly "politician" would like that we think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_attack It is really sad that these things happen, that so many innocent people are killed and hurt. It makes me even more sad that I seem to be getting used to this, that should not be the case, at all. Sven -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
-- Mark
