> On 10 Feb 2017, at 11:28, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <esteba...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Hi Stephan, >> >>> On 10 Feb 2017, at 10:27, Stephan Eggermont <step...@stack.nl> wrote: >>> >>> The past year we have started using Slack to communicate in real-time about >>> Pharo. It has nice (mobile) clients and makes it easy to share pictures and >>> snippets. As a result a large part of the communication about design and >>> how to do things has moved from the mailing lists to Slack. As we're using >>> the free version, and cannot afford to use the commercial version, we have >>> no long-time storage of the design discussions. This contrasts with our >>> mailing lists, that have a long-term archive. There was some discussion >>> about this, and I'm not aware of that resulting in an accessible, easy to >>> access archive. Also, we have not succeeded in summarizing design >>> discussions from slack to the mailing lists. The resulting gap in design >>> information forms an enormous long-term risk for our community. Without the >>> design discussions it is much more difficult to later understand why >>> decisions were taken. We cannot afford to let this short-term ease-of-use >>> destroy Pharo's community history, and thereby Pharo. Let us fix this. > > Yes I agree with your concerns. > >> I share many of what you say… but in the other point of view, Slack as >> really worked and there is a lot more happening now in Slack + mailing list >> than what was before just in mailing list. >> But most of that is lost because of Slack policies (also Slack pricing model >> is impossible for a community as ours), and we need to find a solution for >> that. > > Yes this is too expensive for the Pharo consortium ?
yes it is. Is just not prepared for open source communities like ours. > >> Last days we were experimenting with @kilon again on use discord as a >> substitute and I find that for now it works really well and with a bit of >> work we can have all what you want: discord incorporated a search function >> (and they do not have the 10k limit) and we could do a bot that logs >> everything that happens there and stores that into gists (or whatever, but >> gists seems like a good idea). >> >> With this we would have enhanced the availability of those discussions (it >> remains the fact that immediate communication is worst organised than mails, >> but well… we need to try) > > and move all the community on discord ? this is what I would like to propose, because... > Or use an open-source slack the problem with this is that we have to host it… and then is more problems for maintenance, etc. Esteban > like : https://about.mattermost.com/ > and host our own chat server. > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ >
