clement esteban is using the dark theme since several years!!!! phil too. No new code!
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 12:35 AM, Clément Bera <[email protected]> wrote: > Isn't a couple days before release a bit late to change the default theme > ? Aren't we in feature freeze mode ? > > If for marketing it makes sense to switch to the dark theme, then let's > switch to dark theme. But why not switching for Pharo 7 instead ? > Instability is bad for marketing anyway, isn't it ? > > I don't mind for myself, I will always switch back with user settings to > the light theme it's more about the general perception of Pharo stability. > > On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 11:31 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Bah, I made GTSpotter dark theme work with SublimishTheme and got the >> "yeah, for Pharo7". >> >> It is pissing me off but what can I say, just follow what is released. >> >> Compare Pharo 1 and Pharo 6. Worlds apart. I hope this continues. >> >> Phil >> >> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Hernán Morales Durand < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I vote for a voting system for these kind of changes. I cannot say it >>> more clearly, and I don't know why is asking for a voting system negative? >>> >>> We all have problems. In the meantime you will make all the changes you >>> like to do, and I will continue working on my own way, until I find there >>> is more voice for the "small minority". >>> >>> 2017-04-15 9:30 GMT-03:00 Stephane Ducasse <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Hi Hernan >>>> >>>> Why are you always so negative? Do you think that this is easy? >>>> >>>> Inria paid Denis to build a remote tool suite for ***research >>>> purpose*** and we discovered that a new remote invocation framework was >>>> needed and that they were far too many discussions between the model and >>>> the view. >>>> Denis proposed to build a new browser (and it was not in our plans) and >>>> we decided that we cannot do it otherwise. >>>> We could keep this tool for us but we share it with the community. >>>> >>>> Do you want another example? >>>> I asked christopher to build versionner and he discovered that he >>>> cannot script well enough the model. And versionner was made >>>> for everybody. Now with git we will have to revise it. >>>> >>>> Do you want another example? >>>> Iceberg we payed nicolas passerini to analyse the situation and to >>>> build a system that other people >>>> can use it. >>>> >>>> Do you want another example? >>>> Esteban got in his face the FFI problem: you see Spur arrives and FFI >>>> nabive boost does not so what do we do? >>>> He worked like a mad (and it was not planned because we thought that >>>> igor would adpta NB to spur then to 64 bits). >>>> And the FFI is for everbody. >>>> >>>> Do you want another example? >>>> We spent one year with pavel, guillermo and christophe to make sure >>>> that we can make sure that the three yars >>>> effort of the phd of guillermo on bootstrap are not lost. >>>> >>>> Do you want more? >>>> All my books are open-source? Do you know how much time I take to write >>>> a book? >>>> >>>> I spent 8 months designing a mooc and do you know how much I earned >>>> doing it: 3000 Euros ( so I will make the computation to know how much per >>>> hour I lost) and the mooc is free. >>>> >>>> May be all these examples have no value for you. But for me they have. >>>> >>>> So you see you can piss on us if it makes you feeling better, and you >>>> can rant in your corner. >>>> But this is not the vision I have about a community because we are >>>> sharing all the things that we are doing. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Hernán Morales Durand < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2017-04-14 8:44 GMT-03:00 Denis Kudriashov <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2017-04-14 13:27 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Also I am really wondering that this decision was not publicly >>>>>>> discussed. We should vote for such kind of changes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> no, this is not how it works. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> yes, it is how it could work :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Current approach is not bad for technical choices because it is >>>>>> difficult to make everybody evolved in particular technical topic. >>>>>> But look&feel is different. You just open Pharo and have impression >>>>>> is it looks good or not. Voting can work here. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would forget about it. I stopped waiting for votes long time ago in >>>>> this community. Also I decided to stop contributing to external projects >>>>> (including reporting bugs) because who knows which tool (browser, morphic, >>>>> etc) the board would like to add/remove tomorrow. I will not invest my >>>>> time >>>>> fixing tools who knows what's the plan on them. >>>>> >>>>> The best you can do is to work in the dark and adapt your stuff with >>>>> each new Pharo version. >>>>> Of course anyone with enough time/money could fork a new more >>>>> democratic Pharo ;) >>>>> >>>>> Hernán >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
