Even if he is a troll, he pointed out many things that aren't given priority because we're building "next great stuff" and with the limited resource you either stop to world to fix what's already made or you move forward.
And IMO it is true that the next great stuff is being built, a better paradigm, moldability, and whatnot, but that means that, for a while, tools, and the image itself won't be "rock solid", and since most things are not backportable or maintained (there are no resources to have LTS versions), it is hard to define what's the minimum rock-solid core on which to build upon. E.g. The infinite walkback error pointed in this screenshot https://i.imgur.com/7jiKIhd.png still chases me from time to time, and I remember having reported it a long time ago, and it was considered fixed. So I wouldn't feed the troll, but I woudln't kill the messenger either. Regards, On 07/04/2018 14:26, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > yeah the guy (martin whatever) is a troll, if I remember correctly its > the same dude we had on the reddit forum for Smalltalk that has been > attacking Pharo with pure lies. He is a typical troll that blows off > steam by annoying other people. I am with Stef with this one, the only > way to win against a troll is silence. I had a very recent experience > where the person in charge underestimated a troll, he overflown the > mailing list with negative, many people took the bait and tried to have > a civilized discussions with him, he drag it one for month until people > started abandoning the community and the community essentially died. > > I adviced them not to feed the troll but as in many other cases, people > dont even listen. > > Pharo is far from perfect, but this is not a logical discussion , its > pure troll tactic. Do not underestimate the power of a troll, it is more > powerful than you can imagine and feed on politeness and rationality. > > Don't feed the troll. > > On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 8:13 PM p...@highoctane.be > <mailto:p...@highoctane.be> <p...@highoctane.be > <mailto:p...@highoctane.be>> wrote: > > interruptible.. yes! > > On Sat, Apr 7, 2018, 19:10 Thierry Goubier > <thierry.goub...@gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goub...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > Le 07/04/2018 à 17:48, Aliaksei Syrel a écrit : > > Hi > > > > Here is a link to a report about their experience with Pharo: > > https://gitlab.fit.cvut.cz/taibrmar/sokoban-using-bloc > > > > There definitely exist things that should be improved. It is a > pity when > > tiny “minor” issues leave such an unpleasant aftertaste. > > Some of them are, sadly, quite unacceptable, IMHO. > > I would really dream of a stable, correctly interruptible (i.e. > a Cmd-. > that really works), limited Pharo core. That would help > development so > significantly and allow more experiments. > > I solve that by making stuff that distance itself as much as > possible > from a lot of the Pharo stuff that evolves far too much, far too > fast to > be relied upon (widgets, graphics, editors), and I'm looking > forward to > building a limited(*) image with just and only the things I rely on. > > One of the thing I need is a CI that triggers both on my code > releases > and any Pharo update (including the stable ones) since even stable > releases may change core APIs. > > > Anyway, there are lovers and haters of every language. > > That I can agree with :) > > > Some people even > > give dislikes to videos on YouTube that show how veterinarians > heal cats... > > > > All the best > > Alex > > Regards, > > Thierry > > (*) I did try with the minimal image, and the tools are clearly > limiting. > > > On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 at 17:27, Stephane Ducasse > <stepharo.s...@gmail.com <mailto:stepharo.s...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:stepharo.s...@gmail.com > <mailto:stepharo.s...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > I tend to not care about people pissing on me via a > pseudo. This is > > too easy and too microscopic to have any value. > > Thanks Philippe, Luke and Ben because you use your real names. > > > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Esteban Lorenzano > > <esteba...@gmail.com <mailto:esteba...@gmail.com> > <mailto:esteba...@gmail.com <mailto:esteba...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > yesterday someone posted an article on HN about the > Pharo MOOC > > and there has > > > been some negative posts there. > > > I would like to call people who can have the time to > answer there > > and help > > > to explain better and also contribute to contest that FUD > > someones (we know > > > who they are… sames as always) are spreading. > > > > > > here the link : > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16754872 > > > > > > (this is not loosing time, people searching for Pharo > will likely > > see this > > > kind of messages… at least we need to offer our point > of view) > > > > > > cheers! > > > Esteban > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > Alex > > -- Esteban A. Maringolo
