Hi Stef,
I understand - but before we focus the discussion too much on the mentioned
#abortionismurder let's bring #4491 into perspective:
1. Important: I guess we all agree that we would like to tweet and inform as
much on technical topics about Smalltalk in general and
Pharo in particular and not correlate our activities to single peoples
personal habits, politics, religion or beliefs.
2. The aggregator that I suggested in the issue
(https://twitter.com/WorldDotSt) is related to the website world.st - which is
a really useful technical resource on Smalltalk, Pharo and ESUG infos
already throughout the years:
- The forum page http://forum.world.st is summarizing various ST
Mailinglists including ESUG list
- https://twitter.com/WorldDotSt aggregates most of the Pharo and
Smalltalker Tweets in existence
3. You are referring in this thread here to the following tweet:
https://twitter.com/AmberSmalltalk/status/1169239145530761217
which is associating @esugsmalltalk @SergeStinckwich @stephaneducasse
#smalltalk for whatever reason with the hash tag #abortionismurder
I understand your reaction and post - but this was done outside our
boundaries by twitter user "AmberSmalltalk" - also not by the aggregator
itself. And yes - this "AmberSmalltalk" owner seems to mix sometimes
personal beliefs into technical infos. I share your doubts and dislike
this as well.
It's a problem that existed before and is a problem of tweeting and social
media in general. Something that is IMHO independent from described
issue #4491 - and you and Serge definitely need to sort out this
#abortionismurder thing with the owner of this specific account.
4. The issue #4491 mentions that currently the Pharo community page
(http://www.pharo.org/community)
for Twitter ONLY PROMOTES
a) the offical tweet account @pharoproject
b) your personal @stephaneducasse account
as the ones to follow.
But we have many more interesting community members tweeting on Pharo as
you see on the list in the referred issue. So we should either
extend the community page with either more personal accounts, just use the
offical one or use an external or own aggregator
including hashtags like #pharo, #pharoproject, ...
5. As you might have noticed I also opened a second issue #4490
(https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/4490) as for the blogs mentioned
on the community page we have something similar:
For Blogs WE ONLY PROMOTE on that page:
a) the official pharo weekly
b) my personal astares blog
c) the personal blog of clement
But my blog is not special either - so an aggregator of the various
Smalltalks blogs (as the one suggested from planet smalltalk)
made initially sense to me as it would include more blogs of members of the
community and we would not have to adopt the community page all
the time a new blog appears.
There are nice Pharo blogs out there like https://www.samadhiweb.com/blog,
http://humane-assessment.com/blog and many other.
Same applies here: either we just include the offical blog that we control,
a list of more blogs of the various members or an aggregator
6. Yes - the community is unable to control what people write on Twitter,
Blogs or other social media. Even our mailinglist "pharo-users_lists"
is not free from personal habits as yesterdays disussion about "guns"
showed.
(http://lists.pharo.org/pipermail/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org/2019-September/044168.html)
And maybe linking to these aggregators or promoting them is not a good
idea. If we take the discussion (over)serious we should then
really only link to official twitter account and official pharo blog that
the community can control.
In such a case we need to remove my blog and your personal twitter account
from the community page as you sometimes tweet about
politics on your personal account too and I can potentially write on other
non-technical topics on my blog as well (which I do not plan).
Basically we have four options:
a) we only link to the official twitter account
(https://twitter.com/pharoproject) and blog (https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/)
b) extend the list with personal twitter accounts as mentioned in issue #4491
and blogs like mentioned in #4490
c) Link and rely on external aggregators
d) Setup an own aggregator on sources we trust
Maybe as a valid solution an official "disclaimer" could help - that opinions
shared on these PROMOTED sources are not controlled by
us and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the Pharo community
And yes - the board should discuss, check and decide what to put or link to
from the community page.
Thanks
T.
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 05. September 2019 um 08:03 Uhr
> Von: "ducasse" <[email protected]>
> An: "Pharo Development List" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "The Pharo Project" <[email protected]>
> Betreff: [Pharo-dev] About tweets
>
> Hi guys
>
> I encourage everybody to read this issue until the last conversation.
> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/4491
>
> I have problem to promote an aggregator that can contain tweets containing
> #abortionismurder inside.!!!!!!!!!
> And I have even more problem that this is in a tweet on Amber Weekly!!!!
>
> I do not know who is behind AmberSmalltalk tweets but for me this is clearly
> impossible to read this
> on a tweet that Pharo supports.
>
> I also have a problem to promote an aggregator account
> We can provide a list and people what they want.
> I do not like the idea of aggregation. So I vote against and I will ask the
> board to decide.
>
> Stef
>
>
