Indeed so we removed everything. A clear win. Stef
> So now I should complain why my twitter account is not in this list? ;) > > All pharoers are equal …. > > Norbert > >> Am 05.09.2019 um 12:25 schrieb ducasse <steph...@netcourrier.com>: >> >> We are in sync. So I updated the web site to list the main pharo project >> and I put a list of other accounts with a disclaimer. >> >> I can do the same with the blog posts. >> >> Stef >> >>> On 5 Sep 2019, at 10:54, Torsten Bergmann <asta...@gmx.de> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Stef, >>> >>> I understand - but before we focus the discussion too much on the mentioned >>> #abortionismurder let's bring #4491 into perspective: >>> >>> 1. Important: I guess we all agree that we would like to tweet and inform >>> as much on technical topics about Smalltalk in general and >>> Pharo in particular and not correlate our activities to single peoples >>> personal habits, politics, religion or beliefs. >>> >>> 2. The aggregator that I suggested in the issue >>> (https://twitter.com/WorldDotSt) is related to the website world.st - which >>> is >>> a really useful technical resource on Smalltalk, Pharo and ESUG infos >>> already throughout the years: >>> >>> - The forum page http://forum.world.st is summarizing various ST >>> Mailinglists including ESUG list >>> - https://twitter.com/WorldDotSt aggregates most of the Pharo and >>> Smalltalker Tweets in existence >>> >>> 3. You are referring in this thread here to the following tweet: >>> https://twitter.com/AmberSmalltalk/status/1169239145530761217 >>> which is associating @esugsmalltalk @SergeStinckwich @stephaneducasse >>> #smalltalk for whatever reason with the hash tag #abortionismurder >>> >>> I understand your reaction and post - but this was done outside our >>> boundaries by twitter user "AmberSmalltalk" - also not by the aggregator >>> itself. And yes - this "AmberSmalltalk" owner seems to mix sometimes >>> personal beliefs into technical infos. I share your doubts and dislike >>> this as well. >>> >>> It's a problem that existed before and is a problem of tweeting and social >>> media in general. Something that is IMHO independent from described >>> issue #4491 - and you and Serge definitely need to sort out this >>> #abortionismurder thing with the owner of this specific account. >>> >>> 4. The issue #4491 mentions that currently the Pharo community page >>> (http://www.pharo.org/community) >>> >>> for Twitter ONLY PROMOTES >>> a) the offical tweet account @pharoproject >>> b) your personal @stephaneducasse account >>> as the ones to follow. >>> >>> But we have many more interesting community members tweeting on Pharo as >>> you see on the list in the referred issue. So we should either >>> extend the community page with either more personal accounts, just use the >>> offical one or use an external or own aggregator >>> including hashtags like #pharo, #pharoproject, ... >>> >>> >>> 5. As you might have noticed I also opened a second issue #4490 >>> (https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/4490) as for the blogs >>> mentioned >>> on the community page we have something similar: >>> >>> For Blogs WE ONLY PROMOTE on that page: >>> a) the official pharo weekly >>> b) my personal astares blog >>> c) the personal blog of clement >>> >>> But my blog is not special either - so an aggregator of the various >>> Smalltalks blogs (as the one suggested from planet smalltalk) >>> made initially sense to me as it would include more blogs of members of >>> the community and we would not have to adopt the community page all >>> the time a new blog appears. >>> >>> There are nice Pharo blogs out there like https://www.samadhiweb.com/blog, >>> http://humane-assessment.com/blog and many other. >>> >>> Same applies here: either we just include the offical blog that we >>> control, a list of more blogs of the various members or an aggregator >>> >>> 6. Yes - the community is unable to control what people write on Twitter, >>> Blogs or other social media. Even our mailinglist "pharo-users_lists" >>> is not free from personal habits as yesterdays disussion about "guns" >>> showed. >>> >>> (http://lists.pharo.org/pipermail/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org/2019-September/044168.html) >>> >>> And maybe linking to these aggregators or promoting them is not a good >>> idea. If we take the discussion (over)serious we should then >>> really only link to official twitter account and official pharo blog that >>> the community can control. >>> >>> In such a case we need to remove my blog and your personal twitter account >>> from the community page as you sometimes tweet about >>> politics on your personal account too and I can potentially write on other >>> non-technical topics on my blog as well (which I do not plan). >>> >>> >>> Basically we have four options: >>> a) we only link to the official twitter account >>> (https://twitter.com/pharoproject) and blog >>> (https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/) >>> b) extend the list with personal twitter accounts as mentioned in issue >>> #4491 and blogs like mentioned in #4490 >>> c) Link and rely on external aggregators >>> d) Setup an own aggregator on sources we trust >>> >>> Maybe as a valid solution an official "disclaimer" could help - that >>> opinions shared on these PROMOTED sources are not controlled by >>> us and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the Pharo community >>> >>> And yes - the board should discuss, check and decide what to put or link to >>> from the community page. >>> >>> Thanks >>> T. >>> >>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 05. September 2019 um 08:03 Uhr >>>> Von: "ducasse" <steph...@netcourrier.com> >>>> An: "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> >>>> Cc: "The Pharo Project" <bo...@pharo.org> >>>> Betreff: [Pharo-dev] About tweets >>>> >>>> Hi guys >>>> >>>> I encourage everybody to read this issue until the last conversation. >>>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/4491 >>>> >>>> I have problem to promote an aggregator that can contain tweets containing >>>> #abortionismurder inside.!!!!!!!!! >>>> And I have even more problem that this is in a tweet on Amber Weekly!!!! >>>> >>>> I do not know who is behind AmberSmalltalk tweets but for me this is >>>> clearly impossible to read this >>>> on a tweet that Pharo supports. >>>> >>>> I also have a problem to promote an aggregator account >>>> We can provide a list and people what they want. >>>> I do not like the idea of aggregation. So I vote against and I will ask >>>> the board to decide. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
