Stef, I agree that it is time to politely and unapologetically stick to the job of making Pharo a lean fast open Smalltalk with a robust IDE. I too think that Pharo is very upsetting to some people - it is turning into a success. You are wise to give others credit for wanting to collaborate, but finishing the cleaning seems the best approach.
Bill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] A point a.k.a excuse to you Fun enough I got the same feeling. Do you remember this etoy 3.8 release that should have been done fast and last more than a couple of month and after no communication with 3.9 at all. Or the fork of Croquet. So Marcus do not worry I can tell you that we are not paranoid and I will not let anybody damage us. And now we are even considered as the bad guy not wanted to merge.... I believe that people gets afraid by Pharo or have time to show us that we are wrong (of course some may want to really collaborate). For now I will not discuss that point anymore on this list because we do not make any progress and we do not have to justify ourselves. >>> The croquet people namely (andreas) are on my case, and he clearly >> gets >> this concept since he based his "running for the board" email on it. >> >> The cobalt people = matthew and others, they "get it", and are using >> some of the tools, and proposing common libraries. >> >> Bertf has expressed an interest in etoys moving up to 3.10+ if the >> transition can be eased. I'm curious to see what they would gain. And as if merging two streams would be that easy. >> > > So interestingly, all these peope never had *any* interest in > cooperating on anything. > > Etoys ignored 3.9 *completely*. (and all my activity to merge etoys > back before that was always done not with that much enthusiasm from > their side. I got some bit of help from Bert and Michael, but the > activity always came from my side). > > Andreas disapeared for years (just to pee on us for a good laugh > on and off). > > So I really wonder why they all changed their mind suddenly. > Seriously. > > Marcus _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
