> I think Matthiew and Keith... and some others, really pushed the idea > to live with forks (instead of building another image)... After a > year or two, people start to go in their way... + people have maybe > more time to collaborate. IMO, the arrival of Igor and Eliot is also a > big win...0 > But note Igor and Elliot are folks thinking in an inclusive manner. Neither are they simply squeak/pharo focused. > I think 2008 was a good smalltalk year... Pharo is a good choice > though because you offer something to developer that was simply absent > before and moreover, "people" were really reluctant to go in that > direction for squeak hence all your problems... So still, even if > Actually no, I did not see any reluctance to go in that direction at all. In fact the tabled proposals for 3.11+ had identical goals to pharo's but a different way of getting there. The Pharo team required that they have full control, whereas the 3.11 team assumes that they dont have control, they are facilitating through tools. > there's a resurgence of squeak development collaboration, Pharo has > its place for the everyday developer (even people like me who like to > do simple stuffs ... but in smalltalk). I see Pharo as the Smalltalk > oriented to developers, where you experience good development > practices (and invent new one) whereas squeak is more global, touch at > everything, experiment in all directions... > > Pharo decision process will be anyway quicker than squeak (even with > Andreas proposal)... You can't imagine how much a little change like > the menu shrinking is important to me (and looked impossible to ask > for in squeak...). Why? We have had a mechanism for proposing and loading such changes for 3 years. If you wanted to try new menus you could submit the changeset to mantis and make that available for everyone. You didnt have to ask anyone. I would happily use such a contribution.
What we have been lacking is the build infrastructure for testing and harnessing such contributions. This was on the road map for 3.10 but never happened, because the 3.10 team continued to be focussed on the image as a deliverable rather than the process. Keith _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
