Hi! Ian Trudel wrote: > 2009/6/28 Göran Krampe <go...@krampe.se>: >> Possibly true, but Smalltalk, Squeak, Etoys and even Croquet have been >> around for quite some time now - and we haven't seen any real explosion yet. >> Croquet was meant to "explode" but hasn't. So I am not holding my breath for >> "the day Squeak gets popular" :) > > Sometimes being popular means doing normal things. Smalltalk is an > unusual programming language (in the sense of mainstream) with an > overly eccentric environment in Squeak. Then there are Croquet, Etoys, > and so on. It's hardly a break through if it's only "more" eccentric > than eccentric. Don't you think?
Not sure what you mean there. > The look-and-feel is designed for children. It's colourful, joyful, it > bleeps and blink. How many professional developers are children? How > many children are on this list? Enough with that already! Can we have > a normal look-and-feel? A professional look-and-feel. =) Personally I like the colors. I also don't equal "normal" with "professional". But such is taste! > Squeak is stuck in some time warp, where the surrounding world is on > stand still. It should however consider that we are living in 2009 and > have needs of 2009. We need a different usability, developer tools and > we have different goals. Note that talking about what we "need" and what other people "want" is not really that fruitful. We get what we *do*, or in other words - if someone feels it is important enough to spend time on it - it will get done. Noone works on something because *someone else* told him to. > For example, Squeak hardly support the > requirements of my distributors, which makes it overly challenging for > me to consider Squeak as our platform of development. Elaborate? > Squeak doesn't need a killer app. It needs to be spruced up and put > back on track. Honey moon is over, it's time to get real. Hehe, I really don't agree. :) Squeak *is* real. We already have our killer app (Seaside). We do need to clean shit up though (and I am not talking about UI primarily) and get the improvement process working. Currently Squeak.org is getting smashed (again, I don't have hard numbers, but I think I am right) by Pharo when it comes to hard, concrete, nitty gritt work getting done. regards, Göran _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
