Lucas,

I do not expect magic, but I do expect it to work, and failing that, candor re 
limitations.  IMHO, the real problem has been a sort of XP snobbery: it appears 
that those building or integrating what would otherwise be a wonderful tool, 
have zero interest in preserving comments, and even some contempt for those of 
who write them.  It is far easier to impugn those suggesting improvements than 
to make it work or to inetegrate fixes.  I will spare you second-hand comments 
about what has been done in other languages and editors, as I have never 
encountered an RB anywhere but Smalltalk.

I am perfectly happy using the RB only for things where it does not reformat.  
If it turns out that #promptOnRefactoring meets my needs and/or if 
format-preservation works, I will extend my use accordingly.

Thanks for working on it.

Bill


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Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 10:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] (no subject)

> Interesting news about #promptOnRefactoring. However, you are the first 
> person involved with the RB to ever mention it to me.  Previously, I was 
> simply told that commenting methods is a waste of time and I would be happier 
> and healthier if I would change my misguided ways.

Don Roberts and John Brant improved the refactoring engine a lot in 2002. I 
assume that there was some pressure from the VisualWorks and Dolphin folks. 
Unfortunately Squeak and Pharo people were stuck with the refactoring code from 
the last century.

> Obviously, I take a different view of it, and all the more so having recently 
>ported a lot of aging code to Pharo; comments saved my skin yet again.  If the 
>RB can be made to respect them, I will eagerly use it.

I think the situation is much better now, but you cannot expect magic.

Lukas

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