Bill, I think that loader is aimed at the consumer side of things ... it looks to be aimed at being the Gofer of Metacello ... so easy scripting is the target.
In my mind there are 3 areas where Metacello has need for immediate support: browsing scripting searching Doru's Metaceller is aimed at browsing and does give one a good picture of what is going on with an existing image. Metaceller is under development but can be taken for a spin (http://groups.google.com/group/metacello/browse_frm/thread/335b8177a7b82b5e?hl=en#) Esteban Lorenzano is working on Loader which is aimed at scripting Metacello tasks. Esteban is still working on Loader, so it's not quite ready for use. Searching is a subject that has only been talked about (see http://groups.google.com/group/metacello/browse_frm/thread/92c3a31178ae4a12?hl=en#). With 60 configurations and counting we'll soon need better searching tools. Dale ----- "Wilhelm K Schwab" <[email protected]> wrote: | Dale, | | That's fair. Is loader aimed at the producers of configurations, or | is it only about scripting the load/cusumer side? Every time I think | I have a generic solution for loading them, I find something else that | does not quite fit. If you can do it all from the existing | configurations, more power to you - I enjoy being wrong about things | like that :) | | Bill | | | | -----Original Message----- | From: [email protected] | [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dale | Henrichs | Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:58 PM | To: [email protected] | Cc: [email protected] | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing information?? | | Bill, | | This has been discussed before and there is development underway for | Loader which is aimed at providing a scripting API for Metacello. You | are hitting the nail on the head, but the nail isn't quite ready to be | hit:) | | Dale | | ----- "Wilhelm K Schwab" <[email protected]> wrote: | | | Doru, | | | | This thread over the past couple of days contains the answers, but | | briefly, IMHO, the current deployment of Metacello is underspecified | | | and overly complicated. It begs for better factoring in the | interest | | of the end user. If nothing else, take an honest look at the | various | | multi-line snippets in the beginner workspace. Each should | | comfortably fit on one line; helper methods could readily get us | there | | for most configurations. The ones that do not fit a simple scheme | | would benefit from some additional behavior. | | | | Bill | | | | | | -----Original Message----- | | From: [email protected] | | [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of | | Tudor Girba | | Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:40 PM | | To: [email protected] | | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing information?? | | | | Hi, | | | | I think I missed a mail because I do not understand what is a moving | | | target and I do not know what you mean by "as I said". | | | | Cheers, | | Doru | | | | | | On 7 Feb 2010, at 19:26, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: | | | | > As I said, a moving target. I know it is not necessarily easy, | but | | if | | > this is to work we must have either self-describing | configurations | | or | | > a central repository. | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > -----Original Message----- | | > From: [email protected] | | [mailto:[email protected] | | > ] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba | | > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:19 PM | | > To: [email protected] | | > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing | information?? | | > | | > Hi, | | > | | > This happens because you do not have the latest ProfStef. to get | it, | | | | > you have to load ProfStef-Core. In the process of checking the | | > latest version I also updated both ProfStef-Core and GTProfStef | to | | | | > cope with the latest developments. | | > | | > Cheers, | | > Doru | | > | | > On 7 Feb 2010, at 14:58, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: | | > | | >> In an RC2 image, GTProfStef open gives | | >> | | >> DNU #goOn:viewedWith: | | >> | | >> After all of: | | >> | | >> Gofer new | | >> squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; | | >> package: 'ConfigurationOfMetacello'; load. | | >> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfMetacello) perform: | | >> #loadLatestVersion. | | >> | | >> ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: | | #('Tutorial'). | | >> | | >> | | >> Gofer new | | >> squeaksource: 'glamoroust'; | | >> package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; | | >> load. | | >> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) perform: | #loadDefault. | | >> | | >> ________________________________________ | | >> From: [email protected] | | >> [[email protected] | | >> ] On Behalf Of laurent laffont [[email protected]] | | >> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:06 AM | | >> To: [email protected] | | >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing | information?? | | >> | | >> 2010/2/6 Schwab,Wilhelm K | | >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] | | >>>> | | >> The closest thing I see in the tutorial (assuming it is working | as | | >> intended) is a mention of baseline configurations. If that is | in | | | | >> fact | | >> how things can work, there should be an abstract super class for | | all | | >> configurations (or at least a trait they all use to avoid | | duplicate | | >> code) and a method that loads the baseline. | | >> | | >> ProfStef would be a lot more useful if it made use of Polymorph: | a | | >> table of contents in a left pane, select an item and the righ | pane | | >> shows the content, actions replaced with buttons rather than | | >> forcing a lot of right-clicking. To the extent that those things | | | >> are difficult, we need easy-to-use tree models. From what I have | | | >> been able to figure out of the tutorial, a wiki page would be | more | | >> helpful and more likely to be read. If you "force" loading of | | >> code, then there should be | | | | >> some | | >> benefit in the form of interaction. | | >> | | >> Danny Chan has written ProfStefBrowser (in the same repository | as | | >> ProfStef) which has both browsing and interactive (ProfStef next) | | | >> capabilities. | | >> Tudor Girba has also written a proof-of-concept using Glamour: | | >> Gofer new | | >> squeaksource: 'glamoroust'; | | >> package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; | | >> load. | | >> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) perform: | #loadDefault. | | >> | | >> And then: | | >> GTProfStef open | | >> | | >> (You spawn the new lesson by command+o) | | >> | | >> Cheers | | >> | | >> Laurent Laffont | | >> | | >> | | >> My question stands. | | >> | | >> Bill | | >> | | >> | | >> ________________________________ | | >> From: | | >> | [email protected]<mailto:pharo-project- | | >> bounc | | >> [email protected] | | >>> | | >>> | [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:pharo- | | | | >>> proj | | >>> [email protected] | | >>> ] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck | | >> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:52 PM | | >> To: | | >> [email protected]<mailto:Pharo- | | >> [email protected]. | | >> inria.fr | | >>> | | >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing | information?? | | >> | | >> | | >> | | >> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K | | >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: | | >> For any given cofiguration, how does one know which version to | | load? | | >> There are incantations in the beginner workspace, but what | happens | | | | >> for | | >> things not listed there? | | >> | | >> | | >> You must know about Metacello. As you can noticed, that's why I | | >> added the link to the tutorial. | | >> | | >> Bill | | >> | | >> _______________________________________________ | | >> Pharo-project mailing list | | >> | | | [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]. | | inria.fr | | >>> | | >> | | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | | >> | | >> | | >> _______________________________________________ | | >> Pharo-project mailing list | | >> | | | [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]. | | inria.fr | | >>> | | >> | | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | | >> | | >> | | >> _______________________________________________ | | >> Pharo-project mailing list | | >> [email protected] | | >> | | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | | > | | > -- | | > www.tudorgirba.com | | > | | > "When people care, great things can happen." | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > _______________________________________________ | | > Pharo-project mailing list | | > [email protected] | | > | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | | > | | > _______________________________________________ | | > Pharo-project mailing list | | > [email protected] | | > | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | | | | -- | | www.tudorgirba.com | | | | "There are no old things, there are only old ways of looking at | them." | | | | | | | | | | _______________________________________________ | | Pharo-project mailing list | | [email protected] | | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | | | | _______________________________________________ | | Pharo-project mailing list | | [email protected] | | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | | _______________________________________________ | Pharo-project mailing list | [email protected] | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
