El dom, 07-02-2010 a las 15:17 -0500, Schwab,Wilhelm K escribió: > Doru, > > This thread over the past couple of days contains the answers, but briefly, > IMHO, the current deployment of Metacello is underspecified and overly > complicated. It begs for better factoring in the interest of the end user. > If nothing else, take an honest look at the various multi-line snippets in > the beginner workspace. Each should comfortably fit on one line; helper > methods could readily get us there for most configurations. The ones that do > not fit a simple scheme would benefit from some additional behavior. >
Bill, one more time, that is not the task of Metacello. Metacello just keeps record of stable, released, working sets of packages versions that make a reproducible, working installation of a given software. Isn't meant to be used as a friendly tool for end users, *but* as a flexible tool for configurations maintainers. As you already know, there are tools being worked (Loader) that are *aimed* at end users and have listing capabilities as you want. Please, read this thread: http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2010-January/019090.html Cheers > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing information?? > > Hi, > > I think I missed a mail because I do not understand what is a moving target > and I do not know what you mean by "as I said". > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 7 Feb 2010, at 19:26, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > > > As I said, a moving target. I know it is not necessarily easy, but if > > this is to work we must have either self-describing configurations or > > a central repository. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected] > > ] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba > > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:19 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing information?? > > > > Hi, > > > > This happens because you do not have the latest ProfStef. to get it, > > you have to load ProfStef-Core. In the process of checking the > > latest version I also updated both ProfStef-Core and GTProfStef to > > cope with the latest developments. > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > On 7 Feb 2010, at 14:58, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > > > >> In an RC2 image, GTProfStef open gives > >> > >> DNU #goOn:viewedWith: > >> > >> After all of: > >> > >> Gofer new > >> squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > >> package: 'ConfigurationOfMetacello'; > >> load. > >> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfMetacello) perform: > >> #loadLatestVersion. > >> > >> ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: #('Tutorial'). > >> > >> > >> Gofer new > >> squeaksource: 'glamoroust'; > >> package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; > >> load. > >> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) perform: #loadDefault. > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: [email protected] > >> [[email protected] > >> ] On Behalf Of laurent laffont [[email protected]] > >> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:06 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing information?? > >> > >> 2010/2/6 Schwab,Wilhelm K > >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > >>>> > >> The closest thing I see in the tutorial (assuming it is working as > >> intended) is a mention of baseline configurations. If that is in > >> fact > >> how things can work, there should be an abstract super class for all > >> configurations (or at least a trait they all use to avoid duplicate > >> code) and a method that loads the baseline. > >> > >> ProfStef would be a lot more useful if it made use of Polymorph: a > >> table of contents in a left pane, select an item and the righ pane > >> shows the content, actions replaced with buttons rather than > >> forcing a > >> lot of right-clicking. To the extent that those things are > >> difficult, > >> we need easy-to-use tree models. From what I have been able to > >> figure > >> out of the tutorial, a wiki page would be more helpful and more > >> likely > >> to be read. If you "force" loading of code, then there should be > >> some > >> benefit in the form of interaction. > >> > >> Danny Chan has written ProfStefBrowser (in the same repository as > >> ProfStef) which has both browsing and interactive (ProfStef next) > >> capabilities. > >> Tudor Girba has also written a proof-of-concept using Glamour: > >> Gofer new > >> squeaksource: 'glamoroust'; > >> package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; > >> load. > >> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) perform: #loadDefault. > >> > >> And then: > >> GTProfStef open > >> > >> (You spawn the new lesson by command+o) > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Laurent Laffont > >> > >> > >> My question stands. > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: > >> [email protected]<mailto:pharo-project- > >> bounc > >> [email protected] > >>> > >>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:pharo- > >>> proj > >>> [email protected] > >>> ] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck > >> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:52 PM > >> To: > >> [email protected]<mailto:Pharo- > >> [email protected]. > >> inria.fr > >>> > >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing information?? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> For any given cofiguration, how does one know which version to load? > >> There are incantations in the beginner workspace, but what happens > >> for > >> things not listed there? > >> > >> > >> You must know about Metacello. As you can noticed, that's why I > >> added the link to the tutorial. > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > >>> > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > >>> > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "When people care, great things can happen." > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "There are no old things, there are only old ways of looking at them." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Miguel Cobá http://miguel.leugim.com.mx _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
