On Mar 15, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> Stef,
>
> There is a part of me that wants 1.1 tomorrow<g> to get Alien and full
> freedom to use underscores, among other things. Briefly on $_, it came back
> up on squeak-dev, with the usual polarity and screams of doom due to poor
> aesthetics. It is and IMHO always will be a consideration of external
> interfacing and avoiding name collisions.
I scanned but did not read.
I think that Squeak should decide what is good for them.
For us
_ is banned as :=
_ can be in selector (not for readibility purposes :)) but for
connection to stuff in C outside there :).
> Back on topic, tests are good thing. As far as how I can help, a good
> starting point will be to clean up my image build process. It appears to do
> a good job of identifying work that I have failed to package and saving the
> packages I have flagged as mine. I wonder about possible problems with
> dependencies among packages, but can't say that I have had problems with
> that; for whatever reason, "cyclic dependencies" magage to terrorize every
> new Dolphin user at some point :) I am unclear on whether Dolphin is too
> pedantic, Pharo is too relaxed (and somehow manages to "clean up the messes
> later"), or whether I am not pushing Pharo hard enough to have problems.
Yes we should improve also on the process (not integration) but development
process.
> Regardless of the details above, I need to revise the load step of my build,
> and I have been hoping that Loader will appear so I can rewrite it once
> rather than twice. I noticed mention today that SqueakSource was down
> (appears ok now). Not meaning to complain about a free service, it hit me
> once before and I had to add complexity to my builds to work around it; I had
> thought about taking that out, but a local-only option appears important. I
> am unclear on how to do that with Metacello - any ideas?
Since Gofer supports local and distant loading. It should not be a problem.
Ask in metacello ml. Dale is cool and responsive.
>
> I was going to ask about Citezen and Metacello, but the SqueakSource wiki
> page shows instructions for it. I will try to test it soon.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stéphane
> Ducasse
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 6:06 PM
> To: Pharo Development
> Subject: [Pharo-project] A pause... for tests and orthogonal concerns
>
> hi guys
>
> I was discussing with pavel and I like his point. I would like to do a kind
> of pause and fix the tests. Improve a bit the fact that we get more tests
> incrementally to avoid regression.
> Tell what you think and think how you could help.
>
> Stef
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