<blatant warning>
Due the way I envisage using Pharo I have stakes in these matter¹.  Please read 
with a grain of salt.
</blatant warning>

I think the 'interpretation' of Stef's question is being different from person 
to person.  The issue Wilhelm brings it seems to me more of "what priority we 
give to have FFI working".

Putting it as part of core IMHO has more chances of having it prioritized as we 
think in the release of 1.1 that if we leave it as a package, because it may be 
still broken and 1.1 may be called ready for shipping.

I also do agree that FFI is infrastructure and as such has to be seen as core, 
and since the ability to have Pharo more useful depends on the possibility to 
use a lot of code we are not able (in some case even not willing to) to rewrite 
in Pharo Smalltalk, I vote to have it as default and strive to have it working 
as soon as possible.

my 0.01999...


--
Cesar Rabak

[1] If you're curious, I'm interested in seeing R http://www.r-project.org/ 
working with Pharo (at least as Martin Rubi's smallRApi for Dolphin)

Em 20/04/2010 10:15, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianop...@gmail.com > escreveu:




2010/4/20 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bsch...@anest.ufl.edu>



Mariano,

FFI, use of OS threads and callbacks are  *very* basic needs that we should 
support.  IMHO, we should be focused on  making them work, not on classifying 
what is internal or  external.




But is has nothing to do with what Stef asked: "Do we add FFI by default in 
1.1?"
In my opinion, it shouldn't be by default.

However, this doesn't mean that we don't support FFI. And I am not saying to 
focus in internal or external. I just answer Stef question with my opinion.
 
Cheers

Mariano 






Bill






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Martinez Peck
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] FFI  in 1.1





On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.duca...@inria.fr> 
wrote:

Hi all

Do we add FFI by default in  1.1?


Noooooooooo!!!

I wouldn't include neither FFI or Alien FFI in  neither PharoCore or PharoDev 
image. 

FFI is an EXTERNAL package, NOT  core, neither a dev tool.

That's only my opinion.  

Cheers

Mariano
This was the plan    so.

Stef

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