OK, I do agree the statement about vision and your pragmatism. The matter specific with infrastructure things like FFI (I think even Alien still falls in this category) it that at some point there is need to test in all platforms supported by Pharo and I don't see this fitting in the 30'/week paradigm. . . HTH
-- Cesar Rabak Em 20/04/2010 17:04, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.duca...@inria.fr > escreveu: Now when I say FFI this is alien if alien is available. since alien deals better with callbacks apparently. Bill my plate is full :) but this is not a problem of vision. We have cool and real dreams for Pharo. Now we should be darned pragmatic. One stone at a time... but millions of time. This is why your 30 min a week for pharo makes a real difference. Back hakcing on Rapckage. Stef On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:56 PM, csra...@bol.com.br wrote: > > Due the way I envisage using Pharo I have stakes in these matter¹. Please > read with a grain of salt. > > > I think the 'interpretation' of Stef's question is being different from > person to person. The issue Wilhelm brings it seems to me more of "what > priority we give to have FFI working". > > Putting it as part of core IMHO has more chances of having it prioritized as > we think in the release of 1.1 that if we leave it as a package, because it > may be still broken and 1.1 may be called ready for shipping. > > I also do agree that FFI is infrastructure and as such has to be seen as > core, and since the ability to have Pharo more useful depends on the > possibility to use a lot of code we are not able (in some case even not > willing to) to rewrite in Pharo Smalltalk, I vote to have it as default and > strive to have it working as soon as possible. > > my 0.01999... > > > -- > Cesar Rabak > > [1] If you're curious, I'm interested in seeing R http://www.r-project.org/ > working with Pharo (at least as Martin Rubi's smallRApi for Dolphin) > > Em 20/04/2010 10:15, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianop...@gmail.com > escreveu: > > > > > 2010/4/20 Schwab,Wilhelm K > > > > Mariano, > > FFI, use of OS threads and callbacks are *very* basic needs that we should > support. IMHO, we should be focused on making them work, not on classifying > what is internal or external. > > > > > But is has nothing to do with what Stef asked: "Do we add FFI by default in > 1.1?" > In my opinion, it shouldn't be by default. > > However, this doesn't mean that we don't support FFI. And I am not saying to > focus in internal or external. I just answer Stef question with my opinion. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano > Martinez Peck > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:49 PM > To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] FFI in 1.1 > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > Hi all > > Do we add FFI by default in 1.1? > > > Noooooooooo!!! > > I wouldn't include neither FFI or Alien FFI in neither PharoCore or PharoDev > image. > > FFI is an EXTERNAL package, NOT core, neither a dev tool. > > That's only my opinion. > > Cheers > > Mariano > This was the plan so. > > Stef > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
