Hi!
On 05/30/2010 11:17 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi!
So much discussion about that little post... :)
On 05/30/2010 10:10 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Yes but in that case
try 1.0
try 1.1 alpha
Hmmm, Stephane still likes to top post I notice :)
I do not know what you are implying.
Eh, "top posting". See this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
So it was not an implication of anything, I just joked a little.
...but I see in this post that you are interleaving instead :)
But I think that we are trying to building a process for pharo
so this discussion is only about that: what are the expectations of people and
what can we deliver
and if all these stuff make sense.
Conclusion
- we can only retrofit showstoppers fixes
- even good documentation of changes may not make people not failed but
we can try something simple.
- short release cycles is a must and we are doing it now.
Yeah, I am all with you.
Just wondering if... well, I chose 1.0 since it is clearly what the
website "wants me to do" so to speak. And 1.1 is mentioned as "bleeding
edge" etc.
But if you think I will have a smoother ride in 1.1, then perhaps the
site should somehow indicate that. But again, I really don't know if
that is a good idea.
Anyway, Igor nailed it pretty good with his post actually - I was merely documenting
"what I was trying to do and ended up doing".
And one thing to note is that I should have tried 1.1. But... why didn't I?
I really (stupid I know, but hey...) didn't think it was to be considered
"outdated" already :)
Yes it really is.
Get the feel with 1.1. It is ***really*** better.
Then perhaps you *should* write that on the website somehow. Like:
"Even though 1.1 is still in alpha development we feel it is even in its
current state a much better environment than 1.0 for development. But it
is of course not yet a stable baseline."
Also, if you only backport showstoppers (and not "bugs") then 1.0 is as
of today not even preferrable from a stability standpoint, or?
regards, Göran
PS. I am really trying to be constructive here, these problems are
generic in nature and Squeak.org suffer from the exact same issues of
course - devel vs stable etc. Just curious how Pharo should "talk to
newcomers" about it.
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